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Eddie Chargeman
Eddie Chargeman
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Re: george bush is a poodle!

george bush is a funny comedian except for the death part

Jun 23, 2009, 17:16


736 posts

Re: schools & welfare; a positive point of view?

I do have a negative outlook on welfare because I see it very seldom getting people in need out of the cycle of poverty. I see the opposite happening.

And many (but not all) of these people lead a life of crime, and they don't do it to steal-the-breadloaf-to-feed-their-family. For the most part, there is no concept of family. The percentage of African-American children that don't know who their father is astounding. What percentage of them are born out of wedlock? What percentage have teenage mothers? What percentage drop out of high school? What percentage have been arrested, in prison, or are convicted felons?

It's not just patently obvious that the current welfare system is a wasteful, racist, segregational, isolationist, criminal phenomenon. It's obvious that this (very limited funding at this point) is being taken advantage of by both the politicians that espouse it (and get elected because of it) and the recipients that see no other way of living other than to marry into it.

The entire outlook of someone in this situation is that of bleak victimization and anger. The end result is the inability of self-reliance of any kind; the inability to go into the world and do better for yourself and your children. The majority of people stuck here have the same issues their parents had and their parents had. Most drop out of high school, have no fiscal educations whatsoever--and get taken advantage of every time they step into a currency exchange. It even extends itself to simple things like picking up garbage, not eating unhealthy clown food, or having the ability follow a manditory evacuation due to a category 5 hurricane.

Immigrants (illegal or not) set their alarm clocks, wake up, and work their asses off to feed and better the lives of their families because they have completely polar-opposite attitudes about this country than people stuck in in this system of entitlement.

To continue to fund this is not only unfair to the recipients stuck in the cycle, but it's unfair to the responsible tax-paying people and businesses. It's not only unfair--it's gonna squeeze us too much. There will be no growth or recovery, no further opportunities for anyone mentioned above.

Hell yeah it's pessimistic. . .


Jun 23, 2009, 17:32


Mars Rover
Mars Rover
1337 posts

Re: george bush is a poodle!

Eddie Chargeman wrote:
the picture is blurry.

yes, it is blurry, but it's gwb i promise!

Jun 23, 2009, 19:11


1554 posts

Re: schools

Wait till you hear this - this'll crack you up. In Britain 'Public Schools' are those very expensive private schools where the 'cream' of society send their kids (typically they board there for much of the year). Public Schools were originally set up in the 1800s so that the kids fron the inner-city slums could get fed, educated and disciplined into fine young gentlemen. So successful were they that the upper classes thought "bugger this" and appropriated them!

Jun 23, 2009, 23:51


1529 posts

Re: schools

Typical britsh buggering things left right and centre.

I love being british :)

Jun 24, 2009, 01:57


736 posts

Re: schools

Sure pissed off Morrissey and Roger Waters though!

You DON'T piss off Morrissey.



Jun 24, 2009, 03:58


736 posts

Can't Fire A Teacher

You pay for this:,2933,528780,00.html

700 NYC Teachers Are Paid to Do Nothing
Tuesday , June 23, 2009
Associated Press


Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that's what they want to do.

Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.

The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.

"You just basically sit there for eight hours," said Orlando Ramos, who spent seven months in a rubber room, officially known as a temporary reassignment center, in 2004-05. "I saw several near-fights. `This is my seat.' `I've been sitting here for six months.' That sort of thing."

Ramos was an assistant principal in East Harlem when he was accused of lying at a hearing on whether to suspend a student. Ramos denied the allegation but quit before his case was resolved and took a job in California.

Because the teachers collect their full salaries of $70,000 or more, the city Department of Education estimates the practice costs the taxpayers $65 million a year. The department blames union rules.

"It is extremely difficult to fire a tenured teacher because of the protections afforded to them in their contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said.

City officials said that they make teachers report to a rubber room instead of sending they home because the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.

Ron Davis, a spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers, said the union and the Department of Education reached an agreement last year to try to reduce the amount of time educators spend in reassignment centers, but progress has been slow.

"No one wants teachers who don't belong in the classroom. However, we cannot neglect the teachers' rights to due process," Davis said. The union represents more than 228,000 employees, including nearly 90,000 teachers.

Many teachers say they are being punished because they ran afoul of a vindictive boss or because they blew the whistle when somebody fudged test scores.

"The principal wants you out, you're gone," said Michael Thomas, a high school math teacher who has been in a reassignment center for 14 months after accusing an assistant principal of tinkering with test results.

City education officials deny teachers are unfairly targeted but say there has been an effort under Mayor Michael Bloomberg to get incompetents out of the classroom. "There's been a push to report anything that you see wrong," Forte said.

Some other school systems likewise pay teachers to do nothing.

The Los Angeles district, the nation's second-largest school system with 620,000 students, behind New York's 1.1 million, said it has 178 teachers and other staff members who are being "housed" while they wait for misconduct charges to be resolved.

Similarly, Mimi Shapiro, who is now retired, said she was assigned to sit in what Philadelphia calls a "cluster office." "They just sit you in a room in a hard chair," she said, "and you just sit."

Teacher advocates say New York's rubber rooms are more extensive than anything that exists elsewhere.

Teachers awaiting disciplinary hearings around the nation typically are sent home, with or without pay, Karen Horwitz, a former Chicago-area teacher who founded the National Association for the Prevention of Teacher Abuse. Some districts find non-classroom work office duties, for example for teachers accused of misconduct.

New York City's reassignment centers have existed since the late 1990s, Forte said. But the number of employees assigned to them has ballooned since Bloomberg won more control over the schools in 2002. Most of those sent to rubber rooms are teachers; others are assistant principals, social workers, psychologists and secretaries.

Once their hearings are over, they are either sent back to the classroom or fired. But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.

The nickname refers to the padded cells of old insane asylums. Some teachers say that is fitting, since some of the inhabitants are unstable and don't belong in the classroom. They add that being in a rubber room itself is bad for your mental health.

"Most people in that room are depressed," said Jennifer Saunders, a high school teacher who was in a reassignment center from 2005 to 2008. Saunders said she was charged with petty infractions in an effort to get rid of her: "I was charged with having a student sit in my class with a hat on, singing."

The rubber rooms are monitored, some more strictly than others, teachers said.

"There was a bar across the street," Saunders said. "Teachers would sneak out and hang out there for hours."

Judith Cohen, an art teacher who has been in a rubber room near Madison Square Garden for three years, said she passes the time by painting watercolors of her fellow detainees.

"The day just seemed to crawl by until I started painting," Cohen said, adding that others read, play dominoes or sleep. Cohen said she was charged with using abusive language when a girl cut her with scissors.

Some sell real estate, earn graduate degrees or teach each other yoga and tai chi.

David Suker, who has been in a Brooklyn reassignment center for three months, said he has used the time to plan summer trips to Alaska, Cape Cod and Costa Rica. Suker said he was falsely accused of throwing a girl's test sign-up form in the garbage during an argument.

"It's sort of peaceful knowing that you're going to work to do nothing," he said.

Philip Nobile is a journalist who has written for New York Magazine and the Village Voice and is known for his scathing criticism of public figures. A teacher at Brooklyn's Cobble Hill School of American Studies, Nobile was assigned to a rubber room in 2007, "supposedly for pushing a boy while I was breaking up a fight." He contends the school system is retaliating against him for exposing wrongdoing.

He is spending his time working on his case and writing magazine articles and a novel.

"This is what happens to political prisoners throughout history," he said, alluding to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. "They put us in prison and we write our `Letter From the Birmingham Jail.'"

Jun 24, 2009, 19:21


736 posts

Deadly Neighborhoods

Like I said, it isn't necessarily the inner-city, it's the city collar neighborhoods.

Chicago Public Radio - News In Brief

South Side Neighborhoods Among Most Dangerous in the Country

Englewood residents say they're not surprised by a new study that finds four of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the entire country are on Chicago's South Side.

The study was done by a company that sells data to people buying real estate. They used crime numbers from the FBI. They found one of the most neighborhoods in the country is around 66th and Yale, just a couple blocks west of the Dan Ryan.

WILLIAMS: I've been hit in my temples, I've been put in a coma over here, I've been robbed.

Mary Williams has spent 41 years in the area and raised her four children here but they've fled the city.

WILLIAMS: My daughter, she haven't been here in 18 years. Moved to Arkansas. I'm about ready to head up and leave too.

But Williams says she probably won't do that because her mother and grandmother still live in Englewood, and she needs to care for them.

Jun 24, 2009, 20:10


60 posts

Re: Politics Free For A Month?

Sorry. I may have started again. I think it is part of life though, whether we like it or not. just as music is. We can't seperate it totally. Well, maybe clever people can but I find I can't help mentioning it.
Best wishes,

Jun 27, 2009, 05:07


60 posts

Re: Wracket

wracket wrote:
I've been in France for the past ten (gulp) years but am, in fact, a piece of Yankee hegemonist scum by birth and passport. And I still speak English at home with my London-born wife, so I'm not even one of those expats who can claim to have forgotten how to speak their mother tongue or anything. Though I can see how that last post's meandering ways might have suggested that I wasn't a native English speaker. Or a native earthling.

Hi Wracket. You seem like a decent human being and obviously a Lab fan. I'm a uk ex-pat living in Paris and I'm failing to get to grips with the language, even though I have a French partner and step daughter and have lived in Paris for almost 3 years. Fancy a pint?

Jun 27, 2009, 05:12

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