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cyberpainter
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
And I might add, most good plastic surgery probably goes unnoticed because the results are not extreme, just a little something.
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Feb 03, 2010, 05:14
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hito
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
cyberpainter wrote: ...little something here or there to improve your appearance. Would you deny someone reducing a huge shnozz if it bothered them? How about dying their hair? Getting braces? Dressing fashionably? Wearing makeup? Or getting rid of acne scarring, birthmarks? It's all a matter of degree.
And as far as aging goes, like I said, if you're out in the dating scene, how many guys look at older women when the pool of women much younger than them is such a draw? Is there anything wrong with a little tiny nip or tuck, or smoothing out a few wrinkles if it gives a person self confidence? Try to step in their shoes if you possibly can. Hollywood is not the real world and not what most people want.
These aren't great rhetorical questions as I think I answered something against your point on many of them. Of course, I cannot and would not want to force people but I think it is sad when people use cosmetic surgery, especially for minor blemishes.
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Feb 03, 2010, 07:32
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cyberpainter
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
hito wrote: cyberpainter wrote: ...little something here or there to improve your appearance. Would you deny someone reducing a huge shnozz if it bothered them? How about dying their hair? Getting braces? Dressing fashionably? Wearing makeup? Or getting rid of acne scarring, birthmarks? It's all a matter of degree.
And as far as aging goes, like I said, if you're out in the dating scene, how many guys look at older women when the pool of women much younger than them is such a draw? Is there anything wrong with a little tiny nip or tuck, or smoothing out a few wrinkles if it gives a person self confidence? Try to step in their shoes if you possibly can. Hollywood is not the real world and not what most people want.
These aren't great rhetorical questions as I think I answered something against your point on many of them. Of course, I cannot and would not want to force people but I think it is sad when people use cosmetic surgery, especially for minor blemishes.
Well I disagree with you. I re-read what you've written, and you're projecting your own aesthetic judgments on others. I don't disagree that the extremes, and hollywood culture is a bad influence on society as a whole. But my points don't relate to that very much.
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Feb 03, 2010, 07:45
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hito
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
cyberpainter wrote: ... Would you deny someone reducing a huge shnozz if it bothered them? How about dying their hair? ...
hito wrote: These aren't great rhetorical questions as I think I answered something against your point on many of them...
cyberpainter wrote: Well I disagree with you. I re-read what you've written, and you're projecting your own aesthetic judgments on others. I don't disagree that the extremes, and hollywood culture is a bad influence on society as a whole. But my points don't relate to that very much.
I don't disagree that we disagree. I am not projecting anything (at least in the Freudian sense), I am simply stating my point of view as are you.
In this case, I said that your rhetorical questions are not good because the answer is not obvious or clear or redundant. For example, I said that a big nose is better than one that has been "enhanced" by a surgeon. Therefore, you would be better to state that "a person should be able to get a nose job" rather than rhetorically asking if someone should do so as I have already said "no". Ditto hair. Of course you can use rhetorical questions whenever you like but they are more effective if you know your opponent will be stumped. If I said "why would a woman get breast implants?", you and others would say "to feel better" and thus my exasperated question is weakened.
We do agree about Hollywood but disagree about the everyday plastic surgery and we have both discussed each type.
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Feb 03, 2010, 08:06
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cyberpainter
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
Your pedantic points are aesthetically unpleasing to me, so I say you shouldn't do it. ;)
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Feb 03, 2010, 08:21
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
cyberpainter wrote: ...if you're out in the dating scene, how many guys look at older women when the pool of women much younger than them is such a draw? Is there anything wrong with a little tiny nip or tuck, or smoothing out a few wrinkles if it gives a person self confidence? Try to step in their shoes if you possibly can.
people they have a cataract.
they cannot see what they look at.
dum-de-dum-de-dum-de-dum-de-dum-de-dum-de-dum-de-dum...
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Feb 03, 2010, 15:26
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Martian
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
Guys ~
Why do you have to get all freakin' serious? Of course I'm not talking about deformed people or people that actually NEED this surgery.
I'm talking about elective. With the exception of a nose job, I think all other surgeries render people freaks.
FREAKS!
Cybele
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Feb 03, 2010, 15:39
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
Martian wrote: I'm talking about elective. With the exception of a nose job, I think all other surgeries render people freaks. FREAKS!
freakery is BIG business...
'In 2006, nearly 11 million cosmetic procedures were performed in the United States alone. The number of cosmetic procedures performed in the United States has increased over 50 percent since the start of the century. Nearly 12 million cosmetic procedures were performed in 2007, with the five most common surgeries being breast augmentation, liposuction, nasal surgery, eyelid surgery and abdominoplasty. The increased use of cosmetic procedures crosses racial and ethnic lines in the U.S., with increases seen among African-Americans and Hispanic Americans as well as Caucasian Americans. In Europe, the second largest market for cosmetic procedures, cosmetic surgery is a $2.2 billion business.' - wikipedia
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Feb 03, 2010, 15:43
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mirtchevman
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
hito wrote: She is a part of a machine.
i love how she called the title of her album 'superficial'. and so apropos, the fact that all the work will be done by the record's production team -- they'll nip and tuck her voice w/ a vocoder and some auto-tune and soon know one will know where the reality starts and the trickery begins... just like the rest of her.
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Feb 03, 2010, 15:51
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Martian
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Re: Plastic Surgery: Please Help Me Understand
They should just charge the customer then paint their face like a clown. Same difference. . .
Cybele
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Feb 03, 2010, 16:01
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