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k.
k.
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Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

I think that the left should be very careful about dismissing her and her comments. While to Obama supporters (or anti-Republicans) she may have sounded like she didn't say anything last night, she was very alive and energetic, while Biden looked and sounded experienced but very tired. She was very folksy, used populist takes on Washington and the East Coast and in general, and was accented. She said "noo-kyoo-lar", what, a couple dozen times? People may put down Joe Six-Pack, and maybe with good cause, but perhaps it is oft forgotten just how many Joe Six-Packs there are in this country? It doesn't take much for Joe to get in line with the elephant, and as long as she was able to speak clearly, show some moxy, and smile while looking at the camera, she was in effect going to win the debate with them.

When people talk about there being "two Americas", they're not far off. Dems have "their guy" and Pubs have "their guy and gal". Each addresses his voters in those debates, and is hard-pressed to pick up any from the other side. After watching both debates, trying to keep as objective a view as possible, I think that McCain and Palin have done VERY well. No, they might not be saying anything at all, but they have clearly been the more animated and alive in each instance, and have possibly done the unthinkable: gazumped the "hope" and "change" vibe right out from under the "hope" and "change" candidate's nose.

If Obama wants to win this thing, Tuesday he must be peppy and approachable. I know that we want intelligent leadership in these times, but instead of decrying the whole "American Idol" electorial process, maybe it's worth considering embracing it, embracing the American voter. I mean, you're Barack Obama... how difficult is it really to show that you're going to be way more fun to hang out with than John McCain?!

Oct 03, 2008, 12:37


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Mars Rover *bow wow*
Mars Rover *bow wow*
92 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

i really can't stand Palin's voice, it grates. i can see right through her act too. Although i don't think she embarrassed herself as much as i expected, she never answered the questions. She always trailed off on some sound-bite seeking tangent. That was coached into her, obviously. They may have gotten their desired results. i really hope all of the recent polls are accurate.

Oct 03, 2008, 13:06


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Mars Rover *bow wow*
Mars Rover *bow wow*
92 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

Dick Polman is usually spot on: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/30247259.html

Oct 03, 2008, 13:28


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Mars Rover *bow wow*
Mars Rover *bow wow*
92 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100203046.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Oct 03, 2008, 13:40


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DevastatorJr.
DevastatorJr.
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Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

It just amazes me that Palin can spout off these obviously rotely memorized cliches and empty vagueries and the media calls it "folksiness".

And does anybody like being referred to as "Joe Six Pack", or being reduced to a stereotypical "Hockey Mom", even if you do drink six packs and your kids play hockey? Are there people out there who consider that kind of pigeon-holing a compliment?

Oct 03, 2008, 14:07


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Jasonspaceman
Jasonspaceman
327 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

I think Palin came off very mean and cold hearted. Biden was way more human and at the same time professional. Did she have something in her eye or was she winking? If it was winking, it was kinda creepy.

Oct 03, 2008, 15:09


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Jasonspaceman
Jasonspaceman
327 posts

Re: Just So I Have This Straight. . .

sooooooo cybele, your not a republican now? I'm confused. So who are you voting for? Are you writing in a name? And if you've dissed the GOP why do you continue to make up excuses for them?

Oct 03, 2008, 15:30


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cybele
cybele
736 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

You would. . .Commie!

Oct 03, 2008, 15:53


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cybele
cybele
736 posts

Re: Obama/Biden need to take this seriously

How dare you say anything remotely positive about Republicans on this forum. This will not do. . .Martin, we should ban K!

Cybele

Oct 03, 2008, 15:55


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5915 posts

Re: Biden/Palin debate

I only watched about 2/3 of it so far. Are really a lot of people out there who would prefer a "joe 6 pack" in the white house over someone with intelligence to lead us in very complex times? I think she insulted all the joe 6 packs in the country by thinking that all they would care about is a folksy expression or two with no substance to what she was saying. Though there were enough who voted for Bush obviously. But with his approval in the tank, people tend to swing the other way. I thought Biden did very well, way better than I expected. But I agree with the pundits, that this didn't necessarily hurt McCain, but won't help him either. What counts is the next two debates. If joe 6 pack is that superficial, he'll be remembering the stiff awkward old guy who voted Bush's way.

Oct 03, 2008, 17:19

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