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lique
lique
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Re: Why does this site attract

Hydraulics!!!!

Nov 14, 2009, 00:38


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Kazak
Kazak
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Re: Why does this site attract

I think the origin of life on earth, and the origin of the universe are two vastly different prospects which are often conflated for disingenuous purposes, and should be differentiated. I don't claim to know how life on earth began, but I've been exposed to enough plausible explanations for the origin of life on earth which don't require any magical interventions whatsoever that I simply cannot see any reason to assert that any magic was in fact involved. It was just molecules jostling together under the right conditions until some critical level of complexity was achieved at which point a cumulative selection process could kick in. As for the origin of the universe, I concede, it remains a gigantic and wonderful mystery. It certainly could've been some deity for all I know, that's as good an idea as any idea I have, I reckon we'll never know. Seems like some pretty privileged information. For these reasons, I'm neutral to deism, but reject theism. I suppose that makes me an atheist, but lately I've felt the need to add that I'm am not an adeist!

Nov 14, 2009, 02:29


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Kazak
Kazak
1618 posts

Re: Why does this site attract

Everywhere that science shines its light, no god there either...

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Nov 14, 2009, 02:34


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YZ
YZ
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Re: Why does this site attract

Labhead wrote:
We are all atheists... you just happen to believe in one more god than I do. ;P
Ask yourself why you don't believe in the other gods, and you may find why I don't believe in yours (or any).

There are some good ideas in the bible... and then there's other ideas that are just crazy.

(...) I find atheists to be much better people than people of faith because atheists have come to our conclusions through reasoning and choice rather than fear.

I tend to find that religion seems to breed intolerance and hatred for others who don't believe the same thing, but of course this exists in mankind even without religion... it just seems like religion/belief is just another division and brings out this trait quicker and more viciously. (...)

My final thoughts, however, always come back to the fact that different things work for different people. They can work even if there's no god, and some people need that feeling of love and comfort; feeling that there's more to the universe & an afterlife... not everyone can be an independant minded atheist, it's not easy for most... but we all start out as atheists before being brainwashed by our parents. :)


Erm... really?
Does it really have to be that way?
I haven't read the Bible, so go figures.
There's nothing just bad in believing, but sometimes religions are... just too serious.

Nov 14, 2009, 15:24


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Mars Rover
Mars Rover
1337 posts

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YZ wrote:
Labhead wrote:
We are all atheists... you just happen to believe in one more god than I do. ;P
Ask yourself why you don't believe in the other gods, and you may find why I don't believe in yours (or any).

There are some good ideas in the bible... and then there's other ideas that are just crazy.

(...) I find atheists to be much better people than people of faith because atheists have come to our conclusions through reasoning and choice rather than fear.

I tend to find that religion seems to breed intolerance and hatred for others who don't believe the same thing, but of course this exists in mankind even without religion... it just seems like religion/belief is just another division and brings out this trait quicker and more viciously. (...)

My final thoughts, however, always come back to the fact that different things work for different people. They can work even if there's no god, and some people need that feeling of love and comfort; feeling that there's more to the universe & an afterlife... not everyone can be an independant minded atheist, it's not easy for most... but we all start out as atheists before being brainwashed by our parents. :)


Erm... really?
Does it really have to be that way?
I haven't read the Bible, so go figures.
There's nothing just bad in believing, but sometimes religions are... just too serious.


just too serious? are you kidding me man? take a peak in that bible. how the fuck do you believe in something you haven't even read?

thank GOD i'm an atheist.

Nov 15, 2009, 00:10


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Mars Rover
Mars Rover
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Re: Why does this site attract

Kazak wrote:
I think the origin of life on earth, and the origin of the universe are two vastly different prospects which are often conflated for disingenuous purposes, and should be differentiated. I don't claim to know how life on earth began, but I've been exposed to enough plausible explanations for the origin of life on earth which don't require any magical interventions whatsoever that I simply cannot see any reason to assert that any magic was in fact involved. It was just molecules jostling together under the right conditions until some critical level of complexity was achieved at which point a cumulative selection process could kick in. As for the origin of the universe, I concede, it remains a gigantic and wonderful mystery. It certainly could've been some deity for all I know, that's as good an idea as any idea I have, I reckon we'll never know. Seems like some pretty privileged information. For these reasons, I'm neutral to deism, but reject theism. I suppose that makes me an atheist, but lately I've felt the need to add that I'm am not an adeist!


agreed 100%

Nov 15, 2009, 01:13


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
7383 posts

Re: Why does this site attract

"was just molecules jostling together," and it's now What?? did you all fail science?? because I didn't. never not even once.
maybe this video will help you guys come into the 21st century. it's 27 minutes long but it's very informational.



Nov 15, 2009, 03:24


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5939 posts

Re: Why does this site attract

I'm more inclined to be skeptical about a god that can be thought of in terms of being an individual entity with a consciousness. I am not really a superstitious person, but I certainly think there could be some kind of mysterious force that permeates everything and can exist beyond our lives. And I also don't discount the possibility of god, since I really have no idea. However I'm doubtful of many human interpretations of god, and religious beliefs, as they seem most often like a way for people to understand in a simple way what they want to believe. Mostly as a way to live ethically and to overcome a fear of death. People who say god has talked to them or given them signs, or the concept of faith to me seems like wishful thinking. When people claim to "know" things because of faith, I am highly skeptical. And when they claim they know, and I just don't understand, or haven't let some religious belief into my life, I'm even more skeptical. I know religious study can be very complex, and I don't want to belittle it, but I still feel I can have a valid opinion without having delved that deeply. I grew up going to church every week, sunday school, etc. But I let it go as an adult, when I felt I was seeing through it, to people who just wanted to have faith in a personified god, without any real proof, for the sake of tradition, and to make themselves feel better. However I don't think of myself as an atheist believe it or not.

Nov 15, 2009, 03:31


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Kazak
Kazak
1618 posts

Re: Why does this site attract

Why haven't they presented their evidence and claimed their Nobel prize?

Nov 15, 2009, 03:37


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Kazak
Kazak
1618 posts

Re: Why does this site attract

Yes, and when they line up like that and start layering one upon they other like that, it's a crude form of replication. Imagine a piece of this (happening in one stream, in clay) floated off and landed in another stream, and caused the new pattern to start forming there. Plausible.

Nov 15, 2009, 03:42

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