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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
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steal this book/movie/song.

i just looked at the thread MY RETURN started about porn actors and actresses making a 'public service' announcement trying to encourage folks to purchase their movies instead of downloading them off of 'pirate' sites. and this made me wonder:

people talk about 'pirating' but it seems more to me that information sharing technologies are causing us to evolve socially, to move beyond the limits and confines of the capitalist market structure.

obviously some of the people who stand to lose the most from this change are the people who currently benefit the most: musicians and movie stars and the industries that pay them; that's why they tend to shout the loudest. the newspaper industry is also 'suffering' from these changes.

what this has meant for the general populous is that we have gained almost unlimited access to information in almost all its forms -- the keys to the kingdom. and is that really such a bad thing as people say it is? i mean, shouldn't information that's meant for the public be free to the public? doesn't it make for more level ground socially, bring the celebrity back down to eye level and minimize hero worship? isn't that a good thing?

laetitia has commented on file-sharing and its effects on the groop. but she was smart not to pass any real judgment; how could she really, since for so many years, she's espoused marxist theory and concepts in her lyrics. and what else is this phenomenon of file-sharing but perhaps the beginnings of the stage that follows capitalism in the transition of a society headed towards a more socialist model?

socialism carries a lot of negative stigmas because of the way political leaders have enforced it. but what if it were to be implemented into society virally? the collectivist principles stay in tact but without political interference...

is this what abbie hoffman was trying to drive at but unable to properly articulate when he wrote 'steal this book' 40 years ago? am i onto something? or should i just stop drinking so much coffee in the morning...?

May 11, 2010, 15:58


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revox
revox
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

So, what do you have that I can steal?

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May 11, 2010, 16:09


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
1725 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

revox wrote:
So, what do you have that I can steal?

~8^|>


what do you need that i can SHARE?

May 11, 2010, 16:23


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revox
revox
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:
revox wrote:
So, what do you have that I can steal?

~8^|>


what do you need that i can SHARE?


It depends upon what you do to feed your kids, pay the gas and electricity bills and whether or not you'll let me have it for free - maybe I'll take it anyway.

~8^|>

May 11, 2010, 17:23


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
1725 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

revox wrote:
mirtchevman wrote:

what do you need that i can SHARE?


It depends upon what you do to feed your kids, pay the gas and electricity bills and whether or not you'll let me have it for free - maybe I'll take it anyway.

~8^|>


i see where you're coming from and where you're headed w/ that. i know its hard to see beyond the here and now but the reality is that changes are happening and no one can stop them. trying to squelch techno-piraty has never and will never fully succeed. a lot of people regard it as a disease, a cancer. but what if its an evolutionary mutation..?

i dunno where this will all end up but what if, out of necessity, it forces our society to use its imagination to find new ways of production and compensation? we haven't depleted all the options -- we haven't even begun to explore them yet!

May 11, 2010, 17:34


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matthew6
matthew6
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:


i dunno where this will all end up but what if, out of necessity, it forces our society to use its imagination to find new ways of production and compensation? we haven't depleted all the options -- we haven't even begun to explore them yet!


To me internet piracy is the virtual version of a mob that's smashing store windows and clearing the shelves during a blackout.... they want their stuff and don't give a shit about compensation.

May 11, 2010, 18:21


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

matthew6 wrote:
To me internet piracy is the virtual version of a mob that's smashing store windows and clearing the shelves during a blackout.... they want their stuff and don't give a shit about compensation.



if someone's breaking in to steal food or clothing that they need, that's one thing -- to break in and steal a luxury like entertainment, isn't that different...?

what if all of this is a way of causing us to reassess our value systems, to rethink what we consider culturally important?

May 11, 2010, 18:32


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matthew6
matthew6
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:


what if all of this is a way of causing us to reassess our value systems, to rethink what we consider culturally important?



I think some of us like to consider what is culturally important...

the rest of the world doesn't... I am not even sure if is a problem at this point... rather it's just the reality

May 11, 2010, 18:44


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
1725 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:
matthew6 wrote:
To me internet piracy is the virtual version of a mob that's smashing store windows and clearing the shelves during a blackout.... they want their stuff and don't give a shit about compensation.



if someone's breaking in to steal food or clothing that they need, that's one thing -- to break in and steal a luxury like entertainment, isn't that different...?

what if all of this is a way of causing us to reassess our value systems, to rethink what we consider culturally important?



just imagine if all the entertainment industries dried up and musicians, actors, writers and the like could no longer live in perpetual adolescence! they'd have to actually go out and instead use their talents towards some public service -- society would come to a standstill! suddenly all us common folk would all be forced to be creative and entertain ourselves and each other... for FREE! can you even fathom it??

May 11, 2010, 18:50


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
1725 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

matthew6 wrote:
I am not even sure if is a problem at this point... rather it's just the reality


oh, i agree w/ you -- i don't believe it's a real 'problem' either. if anything, it might be a solution of some kind...

May 11, 2010, 18:55

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