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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
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Re: Evolution?! lol

DevastatorJr. wrote:
Yep, I do two varities basically, sort of main stream superhero or sci-fi oriented stuff, and more daily cartoon strip style stuff. Comics are great!


very cool. i do comics too! for the past couple of years i was trying to get syndicated in the newspapers. then one day i thought, 'what the hell am i doing?? newspapers are dying, man!' so i stopped w/ that...

now i'm working on a minicomic which i'm gonna try to put online but i haven't decided on a format yet...

do you have any of your stuff up on line? i'd like to see it!

May 13, 2010, 15:24


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DevastatorJr.
DevastatorJr.
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Sure thing, I'll get something up online for you this weekend.

May 13, 2010, 16:24


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5915 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:
mirtchevman wrote:
matthew6 wrote:
To me internet piracy is the virtual version of a mob that's smashing store windows and clearing the shelves during a blackout.... they want their stuff and don't give a shit about compensation.



if someone's breaking in to steal food or clothing that they need, that's one thing -- to break in and steal a luxury like entertainment, isn't that different...?

what if all of this is a way of causing us to reassess our value systems, to rethink what we consider culturally important?



just imagine if all the entertainment industries dried up and musicians, actors, writers and the like could no longer live in perpetual adolescence! they'd have to actually go out and instead use their talents towards some public service -- society would come to a standstill! suddenly all us common folk would all be forced to be creative and entertain ourselves and each other... for FREE! can you even fathom it??



Wow, that's pretty insulting to artists. Calling them adolescents, assuming they don't have some kind of job that might be doing some good... Belittling the hard work they might do. I haven't read the whole thread, I will later though.

May 13, 2010, 16:56


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

cyberpainter wrote:
Wow, that's pretty insulting to artists. Calling them adolescents, assuming they don't have some kind of job that might be doing some good... Belittling the hard work they might do. I haven't read the whole thread, I will later though.


oh, my statement about perpetual adolescence? it doesn't have to relate to every creative person, but in too many cases it does. you don't have to look to far to see examples...

May 13, 2010, 17:15


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raygun
raygun
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Re: Evolution?! lol

mirtchevman wrote:
revox wrote:
Perhaps some of the 'genetically modified seeds' that you create with your illegal copy of Adobe Photoshop could 'land in my field': your moral standpoint would surely permit me, encourage me in fact, to bypass your children's bellies, and your mortgage payments, to pass-off the 'seeds' as my own. Perhaps I could make some money from them and then 'share' the 'seeds' with those leeches that don't really think the 'seeds' are worth a damn other than having the perverse satisfaction of knowing that they have something for nothing. I'll keep an eye open for your work and then, when I've managed to screw something out of you, I'll let you know.

~8^|>


it seems that we can no longer get our minds around the idea of art w/out commerce. but it is possible. from ancient petroglyphs to today's graffiti writers it has been proven...



Are we so brainwashed with capitalism that we cannot imagine a genuine socialist society where all things are shared freely. It just isnít going to happen. Not only our greed, but our quest for individuality will always get in the way.

May 13, 2010, 17:28


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revox
revox
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Re: Evolution?! lol

DevastatorJr. wrote:
Taking something I created and presenting it, unaltered, as your own, is plagarism. But I'd have no problem with you reading a comic I've drawn that someone's given you for free or creating fan fiction using some of my characters. Or if you wanted to do something of your own using a style or technique I came up with, it would be fine by me.

I'm of the opinion that no one can ever really bite your style, not if you're truly original. Jack Kerouac said, "Ideas come a dime a dozen, it's the approach that's important."



You appear to think that this is an honourable stance, indeed, with your own work - given that there are no publisher rights that you are unaware of - you may choose to be as benevolent as you like.

However, the issue that you have previously sidestepped, and are again thumbing your nose at, is that the rights to share files and use illegal software - the latter from which you earn a living - are not yours to freely imbue with your own sense of ethics.

Whatever the language you choose to dress this up in, plagiarism and theft are two sides of the same coin. You appear to have issue with plagiarism. You are a hypocrite.

Someone printing your work under another name and selling it in Thailand, for example, would probably earn a little bit of coin and there isn't a darn thing to be done about it. The sole benefit of this scenario to you is that you will be blissfully unaware of it; no one will be waving the proceeds from the sale of your work under your nose as they snigger at your impotence.

In this post, as you have done in another, you are making every contributor to this Forum aware of your disregard, disdain in fact, for the IP rights of others and yet, when it comes to your own rights, you are vehemently eloquent in your defence of them: in addition to being hypocritical, this is also immature.

~8^|>

May 13, 2010, 21:17


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5915 posts

Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:
cyberpainter wrote:
Wow, that's pretty insulting to artists. Calling them adolescents, assuming they don't have some kind of job that might be doing some good... Belittling the hard work they might do. I haven't read the whole thread, I will later though.


oh, my statement about perpetual adolescence? it doesn't have to relate to every creative person, but in too many cases it does. you don't have to look to far to see examples...


That's a stupid stereotype.

May 14, 2010, 04:23


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

mirtchevman wrote:
s_lush_s wrote:
I can fathom it.
I don't think the artists make all that much money. I think that's more myth.


movie celebrities are what i consider glorified performance artists -- and they make way too much money and wield way too much influence. there's no myth to that. and with that monetary and social wealth comes an inflated and absurd sense of self-importance. i love to watch the oscars just to laugh at these people. the downfall of that ridiculous empire can't come soon enough...



Ok, but mirtch, are you grouping visual artists, musicians, writers, and actors together in previous posts? The "entertainment" industry is not the same as some writer, visual artist, or musician, most of which are not celebrities or making millions off their work.

May 14, 2010, 04:29


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: Evolution?! lol

mirtchevman wrote:


it seems that we can no longer get our minds around the idea of art w/out commerce. but it is possible. from ancient petroglyphs to today's graffiti writers it has been proven...


Of course, but it's like any aspect of society, it depends on what the societal structure is. If everything is free, then art would be free too. But there is absolutely nothing wrong in a capitalist society, with an artist wanting to be paid for what they spent their time and effort on. It doesn't lessen the value or quality of the "Art". The value and quality, is based on the particular artist's talents. Artists over the centuries have mostly been taken advantage of, so I guess file sharing is no different. Giving it this socialistic luster, as the wave of the beautiful future, seems like a utopian excuse for stealing. If you want to say file sharing is changing everything, you are right. But if you're saying some kind of socialist free society is in our future, you may be right, but I think that is a long way off.

May 14, 2010, 04:41


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
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Re: steal this book/movie/song.

cyberpainter wrote:
mirtchevman wrote:
cyberpainter wrote:
Wow, that's pretty insulting to artists. Calling them adolescents, assuming they don't have some kind of job that might be doing some good... Belittling the hard work they might do. I haven't read the whole thread, I will later though.


oh, my statement about perpetual adolescence? it doesn't have to relate to every creative person, but in too many cases it does. you don't have to look to far to see examples...


That's a stupid stereotype.


please don't make me start creating a list...

May 14, 2010, 05:08

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