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velvetwater
velvetwater
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

vivakomeda wrote:
"Somebody who says to a presumably foreign user "when are you going to learn English?" is very racist."

Well rude, yes, and perhaps ignorant, but racist? No. Language and race are two very different things.


Of course they are two different things.
But by criticizing one's knowledge of your own language you imply that he is not worthy of you talking to him, therefore sort of undermining his ethnic origins.

Jul 22, 2010, 01:12


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velvetwater
velvetwater
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

vivakomeda wrote:


The fact that people generally haven't done so in your case might suggest that you've reacted to Cheeso and others the wrong way.


As I said, you don't take into account the silent majority (I think I had previously said "minority" but that's what I meant).

Jul 22, 2010, 01:17


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vivakomeda
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

Pretty presumptuous.

I can't claim to know for sure, but I strongly suspect if you polled users of the forum the majority would think you've overreacted to all this.

Jul 22, 2010, 01:32


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vivakomeda
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

"Racist" is a serious charge. It should be applied only when absolutely appropriate.

Jul 22, 2010, 01:34


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velvetwater
velvetwater
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

vivakomeda wrote:
Pretty presumptuous.

I can't claim to know for sure, but I strongly suspect if you polled users of the forum the majority would think you've overreacted to all this.


They might think that I overreacted.
But I am sure they will also agree on several things, including the nastiness of some remarks, the incoherence of your so called freedom of speech when I am not allowed to disagree with anything, the patronizing attitude and the ganging up that is making you guys slate everything I say.
I will give it a rest only if you do the same.

Jul 22, 2010, 10:25


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hito
hito
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

vivakomeda wrote:
"Somebody who says to a presumably foreign user "when are you going to learn English?" is very racist."

Well rude, yes, and perhaps ignorant, but racist? No. Language and race are two very different things.

And frankly, even if someone was being racist around here (i.e. actually RACIST) I don't think censorship or moderation is the appropriate way to deal with it. Ignore or ridicule the offender, and trust the good sense of others in the forum to come to your defense.



I think your first point is pedantic. Telling someone who is not a native speaker to learn English would generally be considered racist in common parlance. Of course, you could argue otherwise but it is a little bit disingenuous. If I walk into a store and get served by a Vietnamese guy - whose grasp of the language is poor - and say to him "when are you going to learn English?", I reckon 9 out of 10 people would call that racist. Of course, you could disagree.

The second point is a good one. I think it is a little idealistic given the way people debate matters here but it is a goal to aim for. But i guess there has to be respect as a guiding principle. I have no allegiance to velvetwater (despite the praise I get) but I think people are ganging up on an angry person. Few people are giving him a break or trying to calm the situation. If the opposite were true, then i would say moderators are pointless.
But this is where a good moderator can help. I have been in forums with moderation and they are generally not oppressive. I think the history of flaming and vicoious attacks on the net would demonstrate that moderation is necessary.
If people start calling others "nigger", "cunt", "whore", "gook", "nip", "wog", "slut", "faggot" or other such insults then it really is not on. I would say that a person saying that is not being censored and moderation is hardly big brother. I don't think people have the "right" to freely abuse others.

Jul 22, 2010, 10:52


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vivakomeda
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

I encourage you to disagree with anything I say that you find disagreeable, and to never propose the censorship of anybody else.

That's all I have to say

Jul 22, 2010, 11:16


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hito
hito
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

cyberpainter wrote:
Pikey has better things to do.


I think you should read his post. He said "a" moderator would be good. He didn't mention "Pikey" or say that "Pikey" should do a better job.

Jul 22, 2010, 11:20


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hito
hito
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

Labhead wrote:
...I'd guess that any moderator would probably have to do it free of charge.
It happens all the time. It is not like it would be too onerous. I imagine many would put their hand up here, even those who oppose moderation.
If "Pikey" put a call out, plenty of regulars would volunteer.

I am correct, no?

Jul 22, 2010, 11:24


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hito
hito
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Re: Would the introduction of a moderator be good for the forum?

cyberpainter wrote:
DevastatorJr. wrote:
I'll never understand the urge some people have to censor others on a public forum or even ban them from speaking entirely. Isn't it simple enough to simply not read messages from those you find offensive, or is the idea that you don't want others to read them either?

Neither god nor master.


I agree.


I don't. This is too simplistic. Cyberbullying is recognised as a serious problem around the world. There have been cases of suicide caused in part by relentless internet harrassment. I find it hard to believe that people are not aware of it.
You cannot simply say to people that they should ignore it. People make connections to a community on the internet, much like they would a church, town, peer group etc. If it turns nasty then it is not easy to walk away.
Moreover, one of the problems of the internet is that it allows people to say things they would not say in real life. Without the visual cues such as sad faces and slumped bodies, people say some very nasty things (as evidenced by many people on "both sides" here in this forum).
Moderation allows an impartial observer to remove or warn users who are not thinking of the emotional impact of their utterances.

Jul 22, 2010, 11:32

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