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jorbel
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Re: just silence for now.

hito wrote:
Well, it is sad.

I think the tributes in many ways are nice and help people cope but eventually we return to reality.

The fact is, that many people were pretty tough on Broadcast over the last year and that needs to be acknowledged in the tributes. I don't think people can whitewash her life or one's attitude to her after she dies. Although I am sad to see someone so vital and inspired die, I am happy with what she created for people to hear. I am also happy that I practised what I preached about her and don't have to regret that I said Broadcast was boring. I am pleased that funerals these days are not obsequious and dishonest and people are able to say what they like and dislike about the deceased. I think people should be comfortable saying whatever they like about Trish but honesty is the best option eventually.

It is perhaps a vital time to remember those lessons we always do when someone dies. Value what we have while it is there. Don't wait until someone dies to appreciate them.

I have a pretty existential attitude to life and so I know that Trish's life was what it was. It wasn't too short, it was just the life she lived. I love the life she lived and listen to her music as much as I ever did.

I can understand you not wanting to listen but that will change. Many of us miss Mary but we still love Sound Dust. She was not your friend or wife or sister, she was music. We need to be careful that we don't get all People's Princess and value a celebrity more than out own mothers.

All the best, Mitchervan


What a great write-up. It pretty much summarizes what I've been feeling about this issue.

Jan 18, 2011, 14:19


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jorbel
330 posts

Re: just silence for now.

That there's death involved in all this music (Groop, Laetitia, Broadcast) makes it even more meaningful.

In which concerns Broadcast, their latest output did sound even more like another world.

Jan 18, 2011, 14:24


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k.
k.
407 posts

Re: just silence for now.

hito wrote:
We need to be careful that we don't get all People's Princess and value a celebrity more than out own mothers.

I'm not sure that people are reacting like the masses did about Lady Di or Michael Jackson. But it's worth venturing that most here who have been affected by the loss of Trish weren't as affected by the loss of those two, and there is a void of a mass-culture mass-media reinforcement of her loss. So maybe we haven't had too much experience with the death of an artist or celebrity who we actually care about.

It's very condescending of you to try to cast the relativity of the reaction to a loss, and to assume that people aren't in the here-now and don't care about the people who are in their day-to-day lives. I went to a funeral yesterday, father of a friend passed. People from every station die every day, yes, but it doesn't mean that we are not allowed to mourn people who we've never met, and that if we do, we are somehow subtracting from the mourning (the celebrating) of those who are nearer to us on a day-to-day basis.

Jan 18, 2011, 14:45


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Kazak
Kazak
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I lit a candle for Trish in my church on Sunday morning (this is a UU, I feel the need to distinguish...) and didn't expect to have too much trouble, but it hit me like a ton of brick standing up there and I barely managed to keep it all together.

Jan 18, 2011, 15:27


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dualmono
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Personally, I will pickup the pieces she left and continue where she took off as she told me to once.

"...what else can we do but recover the project"

Jan 18, 2011, 15:31


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guero
170 posts

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I've been listening to Broadcast nonstop these last days.

Out of my three favorite female singers since the '90s, only one is left - LŠtitia!

Jan 18, 2011, 15:45


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mirtchevman
mirtchevman
1725 posts

Re: just silence for now.

jorbel wrote:
That there's death involved in all this music (Groop, Laetitia, Broadcast) makes it even more meaningful.


i never really thought of it like that but i definitely agree. it deepens not only the meanings of the songs but our attachment to them as well.

Jan 18, 2011, 18:04


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5933 posts

Re: just silence for now.

hito wrote:


The fact is, that many people were pretty tough on Broadcast over the last year and that needs to be acknowledged in the tributes. I don't think people can whitewash her life or one's attitude to her after she dies.


Personally, I respect that we are all affected by this in our own way. I don't think it's at all relevant for example, how you felt or didn't feel about her latest releases and different direction. No one needs to justify grieving the loss of a great musician.

Jan 18, 2011, 20:52


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: just silence for now.

k. wrote:
hito wrote:
We need to be careful that we don't get all People's Princess and value a celebrity more than out own mothers.

I'm not sure that people are reacting like the masses did about Lady Di or Michael Jackson. But it's worth venturing that most here who have been affected by the loss of Trish weren't as affected by the loss of those two, and there is a void of a mass-culture mass-media reinforcement of her loss. So maybe we haven't had too much experience with the death of an artist or celebrity who we actually care about.

It's very condescending of you to try to cast the relativity of the reaction to a loss, and to assume that people aren't in the here-now and don't care about the people who are in their day-to-day lives. I went to a funeral yesterday, father of a friend passed. People from every station die every day, yes, but it doesn't mean that we are not allowed to mourn people who we've never met, and that if we do, we are somehow subtracting from the mourning (the celebrating) of those who are nearer to us on a day-to-day basis.


I think it is condescending to suggest we are not reacting "like" the masses. The fact is that nobody here knew Trish so she is a celebrity (I don't count meeting someone at their gig and finding them pleasant as knowing them or geting an email) She meant more to us than we did to her. Martin and James are not my friends so I am not going to send them a card or wish them well. They have never uttered a word to me. People here do the tributes for themselves and other forum members. So anything we do is just like the MJ vigil people or Lady Di flower buyers. It is for us.

I also feel her death is everywhere in the media I consume.

I am not suggesting that you don't care about your family and am sorry to hear about your loss. I said "We need to be careful that we don't ...value a celebrity more than out own mothers." not that we are not valuing our mothers. It is advice, that is all.

In the end, my post is what I have been thinking about. And that goes for you too, cyberpainter. I think about the fact that people said they were boring on their last tour. I contrast that with the praise they get now. I know people may have liked them overall and they have every right to dislike their later music. I just find that pattern interesting, not just with Trish but so many deaths. And I find it sad that people resolve to be better and eventually slip back into old habits of taking things for granted. I would like to think that I am consistent and that if Tim died I would not say I loved their later output or that contemporary music has lost a great current contributor. If Rael_ died, I would still say he was rude ;P. I like to think I am consistent but maybe I am not.

I thought about this, and that is what I wanted to talk about. I have not said anything up until this thread and so I probably had a lot to say. And I have a right to say it and you have a right to disagree.

Cheers

Jan 18, 2011, 22:46


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k.
k.
407 posts

Re: just silence for now.

Ah, OK then. Thanks for looking out for us, hito.

Jan 18, 2011, 22:54

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