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Rael_
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Re: Classic bands/artists you've seen, and those you've missed...

MY RETURN wrote:
Pointing the hypocrisy is reason enough.


There was no hypocrisy.

Feb 20, 2011, 00:17


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JS
JS
489 posts

Re: Classic bands/artists you've seen, and those you've missed...

Rael_ wrote:


There was no hypocrisy.


That's right. Pretending to have the authority to deem that a band is classic or not is not hypocrisy. It's arrogance.

Feb 20, 2011, 00:59


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: Not classic

Cheeso wrote:
Sorry folks, the following bands just don't qualify:
Ween
Bongwater
JBSE
NIN
Ministry
MC Hammer
Soundgarden
Tiger Lillies
Smashing Pumpkins
X (Yes, I have to revise even my own list)


So can you please outline the criteria?

If Jon Bencer Sues Explosion don't count, why not?

Feb 20, 2011, 04:33


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Cheeso
Cheeso
642 posts

Re: Not classic

hito wrote:


So can you please outline the criteria?

If Jon Bencer Sues Explosion don't count, why not?


I did that on a post above. But to repeat:

An band/artist who transcends their genre and/or has longevity, is iconic and/or massively influential...

So, Nirvana fits, Chuck Leavell/Modest Mouse-not so much.

The Velvet Underground/The Stones/The Beatles-yes, The Holy Modal Rounders/The Fugs-no.

James Brown-yes, Shuggie Otis-no.

JBSE are more cult than classic, imo.

Feb 20, 2011, 04:48


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: Not classic?

While I am waiting for the criteria, I will add the following before they are officially banned:

Monster Magnet, Ice T, Primus, Cornelius, Deerhunter, Violent Femmes, Mudhoney, Helmet, Breeders, Rage against the machine, Happy mondays, QOTSA, Underworld, Prodigy, Jesus Lizard, Luna, Buck 65, Dirty three, Beasts of Bourban, Cat Power, Porno for pyros (didn't make up for missing Jane's addiction in their prime), Prefuse 73. I even saw Live live (they were pretty nauseating even before they were famous), Radio Birdman, Deerhoof

Feb 20, 2011, 04:59


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: Not classic

Cheeso wrote:
Sorry folks, the following bands just don't qualify:
Ween
Bongwater
JBSE
NIN
Ministry
MC Hammer
Soundgarden
Tiger Lillies
Smashing Pumpkins
X (Yes, I have to revise even my own list)


An band/artist who transcends their genre and/or has longevity, is iconic and/or massively influential...

Come one, Ministry are amazing. They were influential. They basically kicked that Industrial rock thing into the public eye.

It's not for everyone but for many people I know who were into music in the nineties, Ministry is a classic band. You could tell them they were wrong but it meets your criteria in their ears and they would say they are so...they are.



And, even though I don't like them, Smashing Pumpkins were certainly iconic 90's "alternative" rock band. I would say Soundgarden too represent that grunge rock that became stadium rock.

If you are going to count questionable acts like the cars, tom petty etc, then other people can choose their own classics.

Feb 20, 2011, 05:19


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JS
JS
489 posts

Re: Not classic

Cheeso wrote:



An band/artist who transcends their genre and/or has longevity, is iconic and/or massively influential...



Have you forgotten a "and/or" between "longevity" and "is iconic"?

Define longevity: five, ten, twenty years or more? Is it the longevity of the band/artist that counts, or the longevity of the airplay of songs?

Define iconic. Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga and Celine Dion can easily fit a loosely applied "iconic" tag.

Define massively influential. How influence is quantified? How many copycats are needed to earn this distinction?

See, there's nothing but subjectivity there. Everything you say is bullshit.

Go fuck yourself... Oh, you can't, your head is already up your ass!

Feb 20, 2011, 05:56


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: Not classic

JS wrote:


See, there's nothing but subjectivity there. Everything you say is bullshit.

Go fuck yourself... Oh, you can't, your head is already up your ass!



JS, you've said a lot of supportive things to me and I generally appreciate your independent attitude but I wish you would not engage in this kind of stuff. This is a discussion about bands people have seen live, not someone bulldozing your house. Using this kind of language only gives Rael_ the licence to do it to other people. The first part of your post was a nice knockdown argument that clearly outlined the fact that the criteria was open to our own interpretation. By ending with this, you take the focus away from the very good point you made.

Feb 20, 2011, 07:26


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JS
JS
489 posts

Re: Not classic

hito wrote:
JS wrote:


See, there's nothing but subjectivity there. Everything you say is bullshit.

Go fuck yourself... Oh, you can't, your head is already up your ass!

JS... I wish you would not engage in this kind of stuff.


I understand, but I won't do that. Nothing against you, though. It's just circumstances.

I have chosen to walk on a very difficult path. Sometimes, I am horrified by what I'm doing, this is so unlike me, but the end justify the means.

Feb 20, 2011, 15:53


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GaryB2
GaryB2
2322 posts

Re: Not classic

JS wrote:
I have chosen to walk on a very difficult path. Sometimes, I am horrified by what I'm doing, this is so unlike me, but the end justify the means.


I understand that you and cheeso have a thing that goes way back. Fine, I get that. And some of your attacks are very funny and amusing. And vice versa with cheeso attacking you. But lately you seem to have crossed a line and are just coming across as a bit of a knob. Just my 2c.

Contribute positively sometimes, thats all.

Feb 21, 2011, 17:23

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