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Dara
Dara
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Dara wrote:
I'm really proud of her too - but I must say, even I am getting sick of now too -


meant to say:

sick of IT (ie the glut of psychobabble posts)

Apr 02, 2011, 21:00


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Babylon01
Babylon01
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

This is all very interesting -to the newcomers here, it has been for the last few weeks frustratingly bitchy in a really destructive way or simply odd and destructive, and the relevance to Stereolab / music related stuff has been hard to discern.

Now I have some clear background, things make sense much more. Though I am still intrigued as to what this Bote character got up to, maybe it's best not to know. It's useful to be able to orientate oneself to the politics a bit.

Apr 02, 2011, 21:06


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Dara
Dara
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Babylon01 wrote:
This is all very interesting -to the newcomers here, it has been for the last few weeks frustratingly bitchy in a really destructive way or simply odd and destructive, and the relevance to Stereolab / music related stuff has been hard to discern.

Now I have some clear background, things make sense much more. Though I am still intrigued as to what this Bote character got up to, maybe it's best not to know. It's useful to be able to orientate oneself to the politics a bit.


good post Babylon - thanks, and a good suggestion. I think it is really important that what BOTE got up to is clearly defined again - athough without the offensive detail. I have tried to generally outline what happened in a previous post, but perhaps Cheeso may want to help here - as a sort of therapy perhaps, I think we all have our own perspective on it all.

I think it is also a good idea to give BOTE the chance to respond to it in a calm and sensible way - as I said he has mellowed now and although through not being a native English speaker, he struggles with the language sometimes - come on, let get it all out in the open - shake hands, tear down the wall and get together in our common love (music).

Apr 02, 2011, 21:14


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wracket
wracket
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Dara wrote:
BOTE...not being a native English speaker, he struggles with the language sometimes


I'm sure Cheeso is going to have a field day with this one.

As far as I know, BOTE is a born and bred, English-speaking American. (Not to be confused with JS, who is from the fair province of Quebec. And not in the Norm MacDonald technicality sense.)

Apr 02, 2011, 21:18


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nsc283b
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Can we please just finish this topic? None of the replies are serving any purpose. They're just digging a deeper and deeper hole. Where has all the music gone?

Apr 02, 2011, 21:25


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Dara
Dara
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

wracket wrote:
Dara wrote:
BOTE...not being a native English speaker, he struggles with the language sometimes


I'm sure Cheeso is going to have a field day with this one.

As far as I know, BOTE is a born and bred, English-speaking American. (Not to be confused with JS, who is from the fair province of Quebec. And not in the Norm MacDonald technicality sense.)


Well then there must be some reason his English is not very good. Perhaps he has learning difficulties or has had a stroke or not had the education opportunities many of us have had. Either way, in all of these reasons there is a simple fact - we are not bigots here, and even if someone is illiterate there is more of a reason to try and help - at least to make allowances. As I said - this is an inclusive forum and is non discriminatory yes?. If this is not so then I'm sorry to say it but it is not BOTE that has the problem.

For me the problem is his deeds in the past and the fact that we never had an apology - there are also some pretty agressive replies to provocations from others - and that's never a good way to resolve disputes.

Apr 02, 2011, 21:27


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wracket
wracket
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Dara wrote:
For me the problem is his deeds in the past and the fact that we never had an apology - there are also some pretty agressive replies to provocations from others - and that's never a good way to resolve disputes.


You really hit the nail on the head here. Your earlier ex-con example was valid...to a point. Generally the reintegration of the ex-con is preceded by, among other things, some contrition on his/her part. BOTE never saw the need to do so...a simple change of the username (in its ominous, ALL CAPS form at that) and then it's business as usual. And then to call others out as "trolls" and "haters"...well, it strikes me and ridiculously audacious, regardless of the claims' veracity. (Hence my semi-comical, repetitive diatribe the other day.)

So yes, we should all be forgiving in nature and action. But we can at least expect to be asked for our forgiveness...regardless of speculation of strokes and learning disabilities.

Apr 02, 2011, 22:10


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Dara
Dara
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Re: More CREATIVITY board.

wracket wrote:
[quote="Dara"] So yes, we should all be forgiving in nature and action. But we can at least expect to be asked for our forgiveness...regardless of speculation of strokes and learning disabilities.


agreed.

Apr 02, 2011, 22:16


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MY RETURN
1963 posts

Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Dara wrote:
In order to try and make some kind of positive suggestions instead of speaking broadly in general terms I have thought about these issues in the last couple of weeks while casually glancing at the general melee here:

The BOTE/MY Return/Cheeso/SquirellMnutter thing:

Ok what BOTE did all those years ago was terrible and upset a lot of people - including me. But there are many instances in society of terrible deeds being forgiven and the perpetrators reintegrated into society to make a positive contribution. That is the basis of the western prison system. For example Patrick McGee - aka the Brighton Bomber. Notwithstanding your political views on what he did - he is now an emissary for peace and understanding - conduction lecture tours of the UK and Ireland and the US to build bridges and promote understanding. Things change. People change.

BOTE is not going to go away. Even if banned, all he has to do is sign in under a new name. Maybe if he opened up a bit about who he is and what he feels about all this - that may help. Then perhaps we can accept his presence here a little more easily.As far as I can see, he has mellowed and although he does post some pretty inane stuff, some of it is interesting and it has to be said - he has started a thread in the past week which has 32 posts to date - that's more than i have ever had in the 13 or so years I have been posting here.

I don't know - all I'm saying is that this quote from Stevie Hawking on Pink Floyd's the Division Bell seems to ring true - "It doesn't have to be like this, All we need to do is make sure we keep talking"


S_lush_S:

Lets talk. Without any personal details involved of course. Maybe it would be better for all of us if we talked more openly about what it is to be s_lush_s and Eddie Chargeman and 78 sluss et al - maybe we can all support her and make things more positive instead of this dark climate of antipathy and prejudice. We all used to. There were times when some of us were very worried for her and that seemed to me to be the kind of atmosphere I wanted to continue to be part of.

Or maybe at the end of the day - it is time for a hiatus with the forum too. I hope not, I love it here - and I like and respect all of you in a multitude of different ways, and even though I may not agree with everything you say - but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.



My posts haven't changed. My politics have. I remember Bush threads got heated. Some people didn't like Sound-Dust at first.

I'm vocal. I rarely back down. So I can see how things steamroll.

Perhaps it's the board, ALL of us that changed. Mania dies down. Bans go more like "..asked to do this. I'm just trying whatever to calm the board" -email paraphrase. So sorry if that's someone's only argument.

I've always posted the same wherever I am. The "better" posts are the same posts just without the mania.

I'm serious one minute, out there the next. The point is is that I embrace being..whatever. Life's short. That's my original point.

Apr 02, 2011, 22:16


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MY RETURN
1963 posts

Re: More CREATIVITY board.

Dara wrote:
Babylon01 wrote:
This is all very interesting -to the newcomers here, it has been for the last few weeks frustratingly bitchy in a really destructive way or simply odd and destructive, and the relevance to Stereolab / music related stuff has been hard to discern.

Now I have some clear background, things make sense much more. Though I am still intrigued as to what this Bote character got up to, maybe it's best not to know. It's useful to be able to orientate oneself to the politics a bit.


good post Babylon - thanks, and a good suggestion. I think it is really important that what BOTE got up to is clearly defined again - athough without the offensive detail. I have tried to generally outline what happened in a previous post, but perhaps Cheeso may want to help here - as a sort of therapy perhaps, I think we all have our own perspective on it all.

I think it is also a good idea to give BOTE the chance to respond to it in a calm and sensible way - as I said he has mellowed now and although through not being a native English speaker, he struggles with the language sometimes - come on, let get it all out in the open - shake hands, tear down the wall and get together in our common love (music).



Wow. And I actually thought for a second you were being sensible. Nice way to be peace maker.

True intelligence is getting your points across without long diatribes and having to declare it. That's the thing some of you have always failed to see. ;)

Apr 02, 2011, 22:24

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