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Booklover
Booklover
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Re: iPod classic on shuffle

"The other thing that causes shuffle to look less than random has to do with statistics and probability. Take the instance of a coin flip. While it's not very likely that one person flipping a coin 10 times would get heads every time, it's statistically – and even actually – possible (as illustrated in the opening to Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"). This is because each coin flip is a distinct event, with probabilities reset each time. The events only look related to humans observing it.

The the last element that causes us to suspect that iTunes Shuffle isn't truly random is our brains. The human brain is wired to seek out and see patterns – sometimes even where they don’t exist. This is an important function of the brain and makes our brains pretty powerful tools, but it can mislead us when examining questions like this.

Ultimately there's no simple answer to whether iTunes' shuffle function is truly random. It's just too deeply influenced by our perception, expectation, iTunes settings, and use. Still, it's fun to see what songs come after each other in iTunes when shuffling and create our own patterns and explanations. "

http://ipod.about.com/od/advanceditunesuse/a/itunes-random.htm

Jul 08, 2011, 10:55


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Booklover
Booklover
680 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

Anyway I never play iPod random, first because i have lots of library music and some tracks really need a special mood, also there are tons of cheesy songs that I'd have to skip

Jul 08, 2011, 10:58


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meanchico
meanchico
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Re: iPod classic on shuffle

here's my list...

Mean Street - Husky Rescue
True Blue - Madonna
Nam Myo Range Kyo - Music Emporium
Reckless - Crystal Castles
Happy Marriage, Eleanor - Agamenon
Love Me Tonight - Tom Jones
Unreal - UNKLE
Back of Your Head - Cat Power
Le Long de la Riviere Tendre - Sebastian Tellier
Hunter - Portishead
Quisquose - Cocteau Twins
Windows of the World - Scott Walker
Kill the Cobra - Bentley Road
Scarborough Fair - Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66
Glass - Bat for Lashes
Nude - Radiohead
O Lilac - Wild Nothing
I'm Just in Love - Nancy Sinatra
Seven Year Ache - Roseanne Cash
Exploisante Fixe - Stereolab
I Realized You - Wendy & Bonnie
No Sugar Tonight - Guess Who
America's Boy - Broadcast
Smooth Operator - Sade
Spanish Caravan - Doors
Prelude in C - Les Baxter
Some Kind of Love - DOB (thanks, Cyberpainter!)

Jul 08, 2011, 15:52


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5940 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

Booklover wrote:
"The other thing that causes shuffle to look less than random has to do with statistics and probability. Take the instance of a coin flip. While it's not very likely that one person flipping a coin 10 times would get heads every time, it's statistically – and even actually – possible (as illustrated in the opening to Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"). This is because each coin flip is a distinct event, with probabilities reset each time. The events only look related to humans observing it.


Hmm, I'm no mathematician, but wouldn't the odds change with each flip? Each flip has a 50% chance of being odd or even. But the chances of all being even in a row gets statistically lower each flip. Is that right?

Jul 09, 2011, 04:36


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Harold Bissonette
Harold Bissonette
2062 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

Booklover wrote:
"The other thing that causes shuffle to look less than random has to do with statistics and probability. Take the instance of a coin flip. While it's not very likely that one person flipping a coin 10 times would get heads every time, it's statistically – and even actually – possible (as illustrated in the opening to Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"). This is because each coin flip is a distinct event, with probabilities reset each time. The events only look related to humans observing it.

The the last element that causes us to suspect that iTunes Shuffle isn't truly random is our brains. The human brain is wired to seek out and see patterns – sometimes even where they don’t exist. This is an important function of the brain and makes our brains pretty powerful tools, but it can mislead us when examining questions like this.

Ultimately there's no simple answer to whether iTunes' shuffle function is truly random. It's just too deeply influenced by our perception, expectation, iTunes settings, and use. Still, it's fun to see what songs come after each other in iTunes when shuffling and create our own patterns and explanations. "

http://ipod.about.com/od/advanceditunesuse/a/itunes-random.htm


I use computer random functions when I create some of my animations. I love the fact that random is not very 'random' i.e. you rarely get an even spread - there are always clusters and mini-patterns.

I don't do the Lottery, but read someone saying that there is a way of at least narrowing down your chances of winning by understanding the way random 'patterns' can work. In theory if you chose 123456 you are as likely to win as by choosing any other set of numbers. But in reality there is nearly always a mixture of a fairly even spread and clusters. So, you actually have more chance to win if you put say three numbers in the twenties (or any other row) and then a rough spread in your other numbers. Something like that. And this, presumably would apply to the iTunes DJ/Shuffle.

Actually on reading the article, it says the computer program will favour a few of the most played tunes, so there you go - apparent (semi) order from the chaos..

Jul 09, 2011, 08:31


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

I heard the algorithm is not that good and that is why it is not very random. I don't know but I continued the same shuffle path and had two more Stereolab tracks, two more madlib (I only have three albums), more Bolan, more Frusciante, three butthole surfers including two off the same record and more. I know that anything can happen but it seems a little odd. Considering I have a number of artists with 10+ albums on there that didn't get a sniff. I should add that I use winamp not itunes to put stuff on so any itunes magic may be thwarted by the different programme.

Jul 09, 2011, 22:39


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wracket
wracket
1427 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

cyberpainter wrote:
Hmm, I'm no mathematician, but wouldn't the odds change with each flip? Each flip has a 50% chance of being odd or even. But the chances of all being even in a row gets statistically lower each flip. Is that right?

Well, even if you've already had 7 straight heads, the 8th flip is clearly still a 50/50 scenario. Of course, the odds are pretty low that you would get 10 straight heads (hhhhhhhhhh), but are the exact same as that of any other single combination (hththththt, hhhhhttttt, hhtththttt, etc.) Not sure if that's what you're asking about.

Jul 09, 2011, 22:53


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wracket
wracket
1427 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

Harold Bissonette wrote:
I don't do the Lottery, but read someone saying that there is a way of at least narrowing down your chances of winning by understanding the way random 'patterns' can work. In theory if you chose 123456 you are as likely to win as by choosing any other set of numbers. But in reality there is nearly always a mixture of a fairly even spread and clusters. So, you actually have more chance to win if you put say three numbers in the twenties (or any other row) and then a rough spread in your other numbers. Something like that.

There is no way of narrowing down your odds in a true* lottery scenario. To imply that any single number near the mean would have a higher rate of occurrence would of course only apply to a classic "bell curve" population, but in a lottery there is one example (in the form of a ball) of each number and no correlation between any of the balls in the population. So therefore the theory that "1 2 3 4 5 6" is as likely a combination as any other single combination of numbers.



*as opposed to a "rigged" lottery, in which the best way to narrow down your odds is to be in on the scam

Jul 09, 2011, 23:03


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wracket
wracket
1427 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

wracket wrote:
So therefore the theory that "1 2 3 4 5 6" is as likely a combination as any other single combination of numbers.

Err, that sentence should end with "holds" or something along those lines.

Jul 09, 2011, 23:06


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pulce7-shoe
65 posts

Re: iPod classic on shuffle

i dont have an ipod classic.
tho i have a nano, dont use it. run out of memory.

i could list my spotify listens here.
very cool stuff.

i saw a good ipod classic down computer exchange for about £80. (80 gigs.)

actually i might add that i'm listening to the soundcarriers.

whom i've seen post on here!

Jul 09, 2011, 23:35

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