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Stereo Mouse
Stereo Mouse
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You know, vivakomeda, we really must be on different wavelengths, or else our understanding of this whole thing would not be so conflicting.

First you assume that these people ought to earn, rather than be given a good life. Well, I suppose these people might prefer to live in a society where access to health care and tertiary education are human rights rather than privileges enjoyed mainly by those who are rich. I just can't accept that health is solely a matter of wealth, and the current cost of American college education is just outrageous, I can think of not a single country where a college degree is that expensive.

Second, you seem to write it all off as aimless noisemaking without any substance. So what's the better alternative: that whenever cost of living goes up radically and the powers that be are making decision that are increasingly disenfranchising the general populace, should the populace just swallow all this crap up and sit there submissively while hoping against hope that perhaps as an individual they may fare just a little bit better in the harder times?

I have no problem with people exercising their democratic right to protest and voice their dissatisfaction with the increasing plutocracy that seems to be the norm in not just USA but in many countries. Why should we put up with the crap of having our lives decided entirely by the whims of big businesses, insurance companies and banksters?

Oct 03, 2011, 08:50


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MY RETURN
1963 posts

Re: Occupy Wall Street

It's far from perfect yet a step in the right direction. If you don't stand for something you'll for anything.



Oct 03, 2011, 17:40


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78_sluss_s
78_sluss_s
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Oct 03, 2011, 17:50


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
7383 posts

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The protest to me reflect visual illiteracy.

"But behind the defective vision lies something else as well: in bureaucracies nobody talks to anybody else."

George Nelson, How To See

"Visual Interruption"

Oct 03, 2011, 17:55


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MY RETURN
1963 posts

the people being interviewed..

There was an NPR feature earlier. The people being interviewed hurt the cause. It was like the London protesters.

A: Why are you here?
B: I'm tired of the government.
C: I saw it on facebook..I had the time.

Oct 03, 2011, 17:58


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
7383 posts

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Yes, Stalin hired some persuasive artisans, if you're into that type of work.

Oct 03, 2011, 18:00


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Harold Bissonette
Harold Bissonette
2062 posts

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Not quite the same story - but part of the same bigger picture, this man gives his thoughts on the bankers and money men who all but destroyed the Irish economy with their disgustingly selfish greed. He is far more eloquent than I could ever be on the whole subject (and a truly great reply to the Michael Flatley question at the end).



Oct 03, 2011, 21:53


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Cheeso
Cheeso
642 posts

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bump

Oct 05, 2011, 05:30


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78_sluss_s
78_sluss_s
227 posts

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New York (CNN) -- As the Occupy Wall Street protesters rally for a third week, social media sites such as Twitter seem to be spurring similar protests in other cities.

A Twitter account called Occupy Boston mentions a citywide college walkout there Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the Massachusetts Nurses Association says hundreds of the city's nurses will rally with the Occupy Boston protesters on Wednesday. The association says the protest will be part of the opening day activities for a national nursing convention in Boston.

In New York, several unions endorsed the Occupy Wall Street movement and plan to join the protesters' street theater Wednesday, labor leaders said.

"It's really simple. These young people on Wall Street are giving voice to many of the problems that working people in America have been confronting over the last several years," said Larry Hanley, international president of the Amalgamated Transit Union, which has 20,000 members in the New York area.

"These young people are speaking for the vast majority of Americans who are frustrated by the bankers and brokers who have profited on the backs of hard-working people," Hanley added in a statement. "While we battle it out day after day, month after month, the millionaires and billionaires on Wall Street sit by -- untouched -- and lecture us on the level of our sacrifice."

Transport Workers Union Local 100 spokesman Jim Gannon said the Occupy Wall Street movement, which denounces social inequities in the financial system and draws inspiration from the Arab Spring revolutions in Africa and the Middle East, has advanced issues that unions typically support.

"Their goals are our goals," Gannon said. "They brought a spotlight on issues that we've believed in for quite some time now. ... Wall Street caused the implosion in the first place and is getting away scot-free while workers, transit workers, everybody, is forced to pay for their excesses.

"These young folks have brought a pretty bright spotlight," Gannon added. "It's kind of a natural alliance."

Time magazine: 'Indignados' occupy Wall Street

President Michael Mulgrew of the United Federation of Teachers, the sole bargaining agent for most nonsupervisory New York City public teachers with 200,000 members, said he was proud to support the demonstrators.

"The way our society is now headed it does not work for 99% of people, so when Occupy Wall Street started ... they kept to it and they've been able to create a national conversation that we think should have been going on for years," Mulgrew said.

The labor officials couldn't provide a projection on how many of their members will take the day off from work Wednesday and join the protests.

View a high-resolution gallery of the protests

The demonstrators have camped out in Zuccotti Park in New York's Financial District, calling for 20,000 people to flood the area for a "few months."

The protest campaign -- which uses the hashtag #occupywallstreet on the microblogging site Twitter -- began in July with the launch of a campaign website calling for a march and sit-in at the New York Stock Exchange.

Over the past two weeks, demonstrations have addressed issues such as police brutality, union busting and the economy, the group said.

Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless movement made up largely of twentysomethings upset with the economy, the Afghanistan war, the environment, and the state of America and the world in general.

In less than three weeks, the movement has become a magnet for countless disaffected Americans at a time when an overwhelming majority of U.S. adults say the country is on the wrong track.

Besides New York and Boston, protests have been held in Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle.

Occupy Wall Street and its offshoots have clear strains of liberal economic populism -- a powerful force in U.S. history during times characterized by economic stress. That said, it would be a mistake to label or tie the movement to a specific agenda, said Susan Olzak, a Stanford University sociology professor.

"It's difficult to classify a social protest movement early on in its history," Olzak said. "Clearer goals could eventually emerge, but there's no guarantee."

She added, "Many movements fizzle out. Others become more organized. (But) "I think we run a risk (by) taking a snapshot at any one point in time and trying to categorize the movement in any one way based on that snapshot. The only way to study these protest movements is to follow them over time."

Oct 05, 2011, 15:54


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5928 posts

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I think that the vagueness has it's pros and cons. On the one hand, like some have written, it causes a conversation to happen, but the direction of that conversation isn't specific enough to allow specific changes to be considered. It does create a pressure for the financial industry to take notice of, and may cause them to institute some lip service changes on their own. Nothing of any consequence though I would imagine. It also may make the conversation in congress have a little more teeth on the democrat side, which is a good thing, especially with a jobs bill that the repubs want to kill. The vagueness and idiocy of the tea party movement, deficient grammar and all, has helped ignite the right wing. So you could consider this a bit of a powder keg on the left. If there was a leader with a spelled out agenda, it would have a different affect with it's own pros and cons, as it could be marginalized if any comments were too extreme. This way, it's just "the people" the way the tea party is supposedly "the people". And it has the internet on it's side which has turned out to be pretty powerful to get things going.

Oct 05, 2011, 19:49

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