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Dara
Dara
905 posts

Re: Hiro trying to stir shit up

Cheeso wrote:
Take the advice and let it go. Enough of your shit-stirring.


Agreed - well said, but he won't - he will keep throwing his rattle out of the pram forever...

Oct 25, 2011, 08:48


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: I will be nice to you now

I have listened to that type of thing from time to time. I think it is has greater impact live (the stuff I have heard) but it is still not something I love by a long shot.
It seems a very "manly" genre, don't you think?

Oct 25, 2011, 19:25


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Time to relax

Well, this is my last post on the matter.

To get matters straight, on the 14th of Oct you said things to a person who openly hates lereostab:

"God still loves you though 78...but I think you have enough kind regards to last you until his second coming"

It was nasty and unthinking

Then on the 17th, lereostab comes back and you are all friendly. I pointed out that you were being duplicitous with a link. I will admit that I could have chosen not to link those ideas but I felt like pointing it out because I thought you were being nasty and I dislike duplicity. The interesting thing is that I didn't need to say anything for the meaning to be interpreted by all who read it, including you.

lereostab asked me to leave it be, so I did with a smile and a wink.

Unable to contain yourself, you let fly with a series of posts where you abused me, challenged lereostab to have the guts to confront you, ranted and raved about how you and lereostab were friends and I had ruined that friendship and accused me of having a temper tantrum. You also drew sustenance from rael in the vain hope that everything would be all right.

I would honestly say to you, any time you want to end this hyperbole and stick to "discussing" as your avatar suggests, I am happy to do so. We will disagree more often than not from what I can tell but the challenge for you is to stand by your own words:

"If you postulate a view on an open forum (especially one from a groop of artists who specifically espouse freedom, equality and brother/sisterhood) you must expect debate."

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I write this in full knowledge that you will probably either:

a) respond angrily
or
b) ignore it

but let's hope next time a discussion comes up about piracy, religion, war, economics or philosphy we can challenge each other in true WSDC style.

Oct 25, 2011, 19:54


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Dara
Dara
905 posts

Time to stop being such a dictatorial, self important asshole

hiro wrote:
I write this in full knowledge that you will probably either:

a) respond angrily
or
b) ignore it

but let's hope next time a discussion comes up about piracy, religion, war, economics or philosphy we can challenge each other in true WSDC style.



Dara wrote:
...you supercilious, immature, arrogant shit-stirrer. Time after time you demonstrate the behaviour of an insecure, spoilt brat in a school playground. You never could, and never will be able to see anything even vaguely approaching the big picture. I am heartily sick of your nonsense.

What part of this don't you understand? - do you want me to draw you a picture?

If you continue to bait me with your irritating holier-than-thou childish nonsense you can expect that I will step up my efforts to continually demonstrate the idiocy and pettiness of your tiresome presence here. Words like 'bested' belong in the school playground and I can never take you seriously when I read your idiotic insecure nonsense. I can't even muster the enthusiasm to take you to task for the inaccuracies in your 'hurt little-boy' replies to this thread - but if you want to step up the war between us, I suppose I could be persuaded.


Oct 25, 2011, 20:05


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
5940 posts

Re: Time to relax

Hito, even though various people on the forum might sometimes be rude, unthinking, arrogant, even abusive, insane, etc etc, and sometimes people call them on it, sometimes they can't be bothered to do it, sometimes they don't want to get involved, or don't want to feed the troll, etc etc... One thing is clear, in this case, you did bait someone this time out of the blue because you say you don't like hypocrisy. He was being friendly to someone, and you thought it necessary to remind everyone that he said something in an entirely different thread that was unfriendly.

I ask you this. What if you did this to someone who was talking in a friendly manner to someone else at a party? Would you go up to them and remind them that one of them said something not too nice earlier? How would they react and would it be an appropriate thing to do at that time?

Oct 25, 2011, 20:38


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lereostab
lereostab
984 posts

Re: I will be nice to you now

I haven't got around to hearing any live acts yet but I reckon you're right about the impact of the live sound, I tend to lean towards the more ambient side of the genre especially 'Troum' at the moment (incredible atmospherics).
A manly sound? I think I know what you mean, interesting term! I can't say I've really thought about it before but I can say that my wife really enjoys Nadja though who seem to specialise in huge distorted guitar feedback sounds, and the vocals (what little there is of them) are sung gently.
I'm always exploring new genres and getting whatever enjoyment I can from them, about 6 months ago all I was listening to was Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Weather Report and Herbie Hancock but I haven't played a jazz album for a while now and 6 months before that it was all Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Faust and Cluster, I wonder what genre is next on the menu for me.
Do you explore different genres very often?
thanks for your replies Hito, kind regards Joe.

Oct 25, 2011, 20:45


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lereostab
lereostab
984 posts

Re: Time to relax

I wasn't aware that 78 sluss didn't like me, I thought it was Mu who really disliked me a lot......

Oct 25, 2011, 20:57


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Squirrel M. Nutter
890 posts

Re: Time to relax

lereostab wrote:
I wasn't aware that 78 sluss didn't like me, I thought it was Mu who really disliked me a lot......


Either way, the discussion you were having with Dara was peaceful and cordial, and had nothing to do with hito. Yet, he couldn't stop himself from stirring the pot.

Oct 25, 2011, 20:59


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Dara
Dara
905 posts

Re: Time to relax

I really am sick to death of you and your bullshit. You want a war? - ok - bring it on.

hito wrote:
Well, this is my last post on the matter.

To get matters straight, on the 14th of Oct you said things to a person who openly hates lereostab:


I can reply to anyone I wish. Who the hell do you think you are to dictate who anyone should or should not correspond with?. You really live up to your name Hiro Hito - a demi god dictator who subjected an entire nation into worshipping him as a devine being.

hito wrote:
God still loves you though 78...but I think you have enough kind regards to last you until his second coming"


I happen to agree with Mu Mu that Joe's cloying christian faux brotherly/sisterly love is bloody irritating. He is fair game when he states that people 'worship the false god of science' and then waxes lyrical about the wonders of CRT technology. I respect his candid openness about the suffering he has experienced in his life and how he has dealt with that. I never would suggest that I think of him as a friend - I am totally opposed to what he stands for, but we have some similar tastes in music - and that is what this forum is about isn't it? MUSIC.

hito wrote:
It was nasty and unthinking


It was cynical and sarcastic - but it definitely was not 'unthinking' I meant every word of it and still stand by it.

hito wrote:
Then on the 17th, lereostab comes back and you are all friendly. I pointed out that you were being duplicitous with a link. I will admit that I could have chosen not to link those ideas but I felt like pointing it out because I thought you were being nasty and I dislike duplicity.


Anyone can do that. You yourself have said some nasty and sarcastic things to others - vodka5 for just one example. I could post things you have said about him in exactly the same way - but why should I? - it's fucking boring and pointless. You think he's a waste of space - fine - so what?.

hito wrote:
The interesting thing is that I didn't need to say anything for the meaning to be interpreted by all who read it, including you.


I didn't need to 'interpret' it you idiot - I wrote it.

hito wrote:
lereostab asked me to leave it be, so I did with a smile and a wink.


Because you are essentially a coward who can't handle confrontation - if the world was run by people like you we would be living under a worldwide religio-fascist dictatorship by now.

hito wrote:
Unable to contain yourself, you let fly with a series of posts where you abused me,


yes - because you abuse me with your innuendo and cowardly habit of hiding behind the people you think are your 'allies' to make ridiculous comments based on distortions of my words to suit your purpose.

hito wrote:
...challenged lereostab to have the guts to confront you,


Yes quite right too - If he has a problem with anything I say he should take it up with me or SHUT UP. Instead of making snide and cowardly comments to others like 'spot on mate, cheers Joe'. Why are you still going on about this bullshit? - are you Joe's officially appointed spokesperson - he has a free will of his own doesn't he?. Unlike you he is an adult who has matured through the process of learning by his mistakes and having the courage to change himself - I am bloody certain he doesn't need a pettifogging obsessive pedant like you to do his dirty work.

...ranted and raved about how you and lereostab were friends and I had ruined that friendship and accused me of having a temper tantrum.[/quote]

What utter bollocks - I never claimed to be a friend of Joe's - and never would. But again, this is a MUSIC get it? M-U-S-I-C forum. You don't have to like someone to find their music taste interesting.

hito wrote:
You also drew sustenance from rael in the vain hope that everything would be all right.[/quote]

Are you again daring to suggest that I am only allowed to respond to the posts you approve of? - you poor insecure small minded little idiot. You are the classic bully - a coward yourself who only finds strength in trying to control others, by trying to humiliate them, negate their opinion and distort their words.

hito wrote:
I would honestly say to you, any time you want to end this hyperbole and stick to "discussing" as your avatar suggests, I am happy to do so.[/quote]

We have proved time and time again that it is impossible to 'discuss' anything with any positivity - your block-headed idealism makes any real debate absolutely pointless and a waste of time. If you continue to bad mouth me in other threads though, and make cowardly sarcastic comments about me - then yes make no mistake, you will have a royal battle on your hands.

hito wrote:
We will disagree more often than not from what I can tell but the challenge for you is to stand by your own words:[/quote]

fuck off with your challenges - I don't give a toss about your challenges - speak for yourself. If you can't handle confrontation - don't ask for it.

[quote="hito"]"If you postulate a view on an open forum (especially one from a groop of artists who specifically espouse freedom, equality and brother/sisterhood) you must expect debate."

I couldn't have said it
myself.[/quote]

Me neither.

[quote="hito"]I write this in full knowledge that you will probably either:

a) respond angrily
o
nore it[/quote]

There you go again trying to limit your own vulnerability by trying to control the situation and tell people what to say - really you are so childish. What was the trauma in your life when you were young - did you lose someone vital to your development at an early age? serious illness - what?. You have never had the courage to let even a tiny glimpse of who you actually are slip out here and I have to wonder why that is.

[quote="hito"]but let's hope next time a discussion comes up about piracy, religion, war, economics or philosphy we can challenge each other in t
style.[/quote]

The next time ANY discussion comes up here or anywhere else I will discuss it in any way I choose. The one thing I hold sacred in this mad bad world of ours is freedom of speech. And before you dredge up posts about that hypocrite hero of yours Julian Assange, yes I believe that freedom of speech can also be in secret if thousands of peoples' lives depend on it. But that is not the case here is it? - try to get things in proportion - this is not the United Nations, you are not Ban Ki Moon and in the not too distant future all of the twittering expended on here in the cause of enthusiasm for music will be lost to the four winds....

Oct 25, 2011, 21:05


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Dara
Dara
905 posts

Re: Time to relax

cyberpainter wrote:
Hito, even though various people on the forum might sometimes be rude, unthinking, arrogant, even abusive, insane, etc etc, and sometimes people call them on it, sometimes they can't be bothered to do it, sometimes they don't want to get involved, or don't want to feed the troll, etc etc... One thing is clear, in this case, you did bait someone this time out of the blue because you say you don't like hypocrisy. He was being friendly to someone, and you thought it necessary to remind everyone that he said something in an entirely different thread that was unfriendly.

I ask you this. What if you did this to someone who was talking in a friendly manner to someone else at a party? Would you go up to them and remind them that one of them said something not too nice earlier? How would they react and would it be an appropriate thing to do at that time?



At last - the voice of reason.

Oct 25, 2011, 21:24

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