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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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Re: Hito's Thoughtful Insight

s_lush_s wrote:

Just consider a Volkswagen or a Porsche. What I mean by this is it's hard to remove the Hitler from a Carerra.


Yeah! True. Interesting. Exactly.

No doubt Hitler was more of a consideration for potential customers in 1947, when "The Bug" first invaded America. Back then, just a few years after the end of World War II, presumably more people were aware that Adolf had personally directed the design and manufacture of "The People's Car."

VW sold exactly 2 Bugs in 1947. Generations passed and fewer people know that particular fact, almost 75 years now, since the invasion of Poland.

Have you ever owned a VW? Porsche? Would knowing of Hitler's involvement make a difference in your choice? Porsche is arguably a work of art.

What about some person who already owns a VW, then finds out about its sinister provenance?

Nov 28, 2011, 01:24


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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s_lush_s wrote:

There's a lot to learn on a universal scale as far as music goes and I'm just getting a small western European exposure. It can get expansive.


Speaking of 'expansive' . . . Um...

Are you aware that it is not necessary to quote the entire history of the discussion in your quotes?

(No reflection on the quality of your posts.)

It's just somewhat distracting.

(Is there perhaps some 'help' page on this Board? Where subtleties of posting, formatting, quoting, imbedding, etc. might be found?)

Nov 28, 2011, 01:35


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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s_lush_s wrote:
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I listen to classical music. But that doesn't mean that we're not still talking about the French Revolution, The American Revolution, The Civil War and all the accompanying "tunes" and their significance as modern music and more importantly what they originally conveyed . . .
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But it's not uncommon to incorporate history into the perspective of an era and being detached from it, formulate an opinion that isn't so emotional, therefore a more detached view of the music . . .
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Could be the political times that lend to my fascination of a period.


Yeah! As in some so-called 'whimsical nonsense' lyrics of children's schoolyard rhymes, "pockets full of posies, ashes, ashes, all fall down," for example, being historically contemporaneous with horrific human tragedies. (In this case, Plague!)

Or as in some children's stories and fairy tales are actually about grotesque crimes? Murder and mayhem abound! (Hansel & Gretel, child murder and cannibalism, for example.)

Or more in keeping with your theme, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. Played at just about every July 4th Independence Day Celebration, almost everyone imagines that this patriotic tune is intimately associated with American history (victory over the British Empire in The War of 1812.) Actually it is about Russian heroes defending Moscow, and Napoleon's retreat from Russia. (also 1812)

Still. Interesting information, but does knowing these facts enhance or diminish the enjoyment of the Overture? Or fairy tales and nursery rhymes?

Nov 28, 2011, 03:06


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vivakomeda
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Sounds like a talking head in one of those BBC-lite documentaries.

"Dr Zygmund Schaltenbach, Professor of Human Studies, NYU"

Nov 28, 2011, 08:13


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hito
hito
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Nice to read my name in a title without an expletive. I will reply at some stage but I am tired now.

Nov 28, 2011, 11:34


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thomas2
thomas2
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My girlfriends never accept that excuse with me!

Nov 28, 2011, 12:20


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revox
revox
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Psi-Phi wrote:
...(victory over the British Empire in The War of 1812.)...


What the hell are you talking about?

~8^|>

Nov 28, 2011, 13:35


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revox
revox
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revox wrote:
Psi-Phi wrote:
...(victory over the British Empire in The War of 1812.)...


What the hell are you talking about?

~8^|>



Ah yes, of course, you're talking about 'The War' of 1812 - whereby the Americans DECLARED the war and were "victorious". Well that's an unusual state of affairs isn't it?

~8^|>

Nov 28, 2011, 13:45


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Mu Mu
Mu Mu
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revox wrote:
revox wrote:
Psi-Phi wrote:
...(victory over the British Empire in The War of 1812.)...


What the hell are you talking about?

~8^|>



Ah yes, of course, you're talking about 'The War' of 1812 - whereby the Americans DECLARED the war and were "victorious". Well that's an unusual state of affairs isn't it?

~8^|>


Stop being bitter.

You lost.

Get over it.

Nov 28, 2011, 15:44


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Mu Mu
Mu Mu
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s_lush_s wrote:
s_lush_s wrote:
Psi-Phi wrote:
In the Topic: Cool, post cool, conservative, postmodern, hyped, overanalysed...

Hito has expressed a thoughtful insight into the transcendental connection of Music to virtually every aspect of human consciousness, especially to emotions, thoughts and passions.

If you haven't already, read his original Post and further illuminations of his point. (One of the most interesting recent Threads on this most interesting Board, in my opinion.)

Is it possible to embrace the Art without having to adopt the personal, political, or prejudicial convictions, views, beliefs, habits, etc. of the Artist?

Is it possible that a sudden change in the way we feel personally about the Artist might change the way we feel about the Art?

Music is so personal and powerful, delightful yet dangerous, so intimately connected to our every disposition that heartbreak, betrayal, rejection can sometimes transform the joy of a treasured tune, even 'our song' - into unbearable anger or sorrow. Aural torture.

Interesting to me is the fact that I cannot help but 'like' certain music (art) produced (created) by Artists with whom I would not associate in any other way.

There have certainly been more than a few times in my experience where such an evolution has taken place.

(Michael Jackson! OK. Name one of yours.)




Just consider a Volkswagen or a Porsche. What I mean by this is it's hard to remove the Hitler from a Carerra. Unfortunately. I lived one block away from a Volkswagen dealership and boy, I'll never do that again. People were going bananas. Flipping cars and jackknifing semis. Forget that.



It's impossible to remove. You raise an interesting point Psi Phi and Hito. I listen to classical music. But that doesn't mean that we're not still talking about the French Revolution, The American Revolution, The Civil War and all the accompanying "tunes" and the significance as modern music and more importantly what they original conveyed to the reactionary (subject). But it's not uncommon to incorporate history into the perspective of an era and being detached from it formulate an opinion that isn't so emotional therefore a more detached view of the music, for myself as well. I think. I've never thought about why I prefer the busyness of baroque over the melodrama of the romantic era. Could be the political times that lend to my fascination of a period.


You two writing a book.

I won't read any post over 40 words.

Nov 28, 2011, 15:45

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