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Psi-Phi
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Re: de fault

Mu Mu wrote:
Carter wasnt even in office in 73.

Obviously not. Never said he was.

As I said in the post illustrated by that picture, the 'gas crisis' started because of price controls under Nixon and Ford. My purpose was to contrast and compare the situation then (73) with the situation later (79) under Carter, complete with charts and graphs and pictures with circles and arrows, but got called out of town unexpectedly, and I'm still on the road until later this week.

Tune in then for the next exciting episode of "The Decline and Fall of the American Empire" on the Psi-Phi channel!

Dec 20, 2011, 12:06


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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Re: de fault

cyberpainter wrote:
During the NIXON administration, the oil embargo happened.

Obviously. As I said myself in the post that picture was meant to illustrate, (while it could be said the problem began with the formation of OPEC in 1965) the first 'gas crisis' began with price controls established by Nixon and continued under Ford.
cyberpainter wrote:
This is not proof of murder and mayhem, just a line.
Well, once again. Obviously. I meant for that photo to depict long lines at gas pumps in 1973 in New York City.

(Proof of murder and mayhem comes only after I establish a proper historical context and lay down a solid foundation for my claims.)

My purpose in using that particular picture was to begin contrasting and comparing the situation then (73) with the situation later (79) under Carter. Complete with relevant articles, essays, book reviews, charts and graphs and pictures with circles and arrows clearly drawn, so you could not possibly question my motives, dispute my facts, doubt my conclusions, or miss my point.

(My point is, I think you misunderstand this as a partisan diatribe against Carter, rather than a patriotic personal lament about political decay.)

However, I got called out of town unexpectedly, (family emergency) and I'm still on the road until later this week.

You must wait until then for the next exciting episode of "The Decline and Fall of the American Empire" exclusively here on the Psi-Phi channel!

In the meantime, look it up. Riots. Fistfights. Gunfights. Murder. Mayhem. Malaise.

It all happened in 1979. Carter was President. I know whereof I speak. I was there, and I wrote about it all then, while it was happening.

I never said I thought or felt that Carter was the cause of it all, or even responsible for all that happened. In fact, my point has mainly been that despite his sincerity and good intentions, he was ineffectual. Bumbling and stumbling and fumbling through a mess made by scoundrels and idiots that came before him, it has been argued, even by his closest allies, that he made it worse.

Dec 20, 2011, 13:59


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Mu Mu
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Re: de fault

Psi-Phi wrote:
cyberpainter wrote:
During the NIXON administration, the oil embargo happened.

Obviously. As I said myself in the post that picture was meant to illustrate, (while it could be said the problem began with the formation of OPEC in 1965) the first 'gas crisis' began with price controls established by Nixon and continued under Ford.
cyberpainter wrote:
This is not proof of murder and mayhem, just a line.
Well, once again. Obviously. I meant for that photo to depict long lines at gas pumps in 1973 in New York City.

(Proof of murder and mayhem comes only after I establish a proper historical context and lay down a solid foundation for my claims.)

My purpose in using that particular picture was to begin contrasting and comparing the situation then (73) with the situation later (79) under Carter. Complete with relevant articles, essays, book reviews, charts and graphs and pictures with circles and arrows clearly drawn, so you could not possibly question my motives, dispute my facts, doubt my conclusions, or miss my point.

(My point is, I think you misunderstand this as a partisan diatribe against Carter, rather than a patriotic personal lament about political decay.)

However, I got called out of town unexpectedly, (family emergency) and I'm still on the road until later this week.

You must wait until then for the next exciting episode of "The Decline and Fall of the American Empire" exclusively here on the Psi-Phi channel!

In the meantime, look it up. Riots. Fistfights. Gunfights. Murder. Mayhem. Malaise.

It all happened in 1979. Carter was President. I know whereof I speak. I was there, and I wrote about it all then, while it was happening.

I never said I thought or felt that Carter was the cause of it all, or even responsible for all that happened. In fact, my point has mainly been that despite his sincerity and good intentions, he was ineffectual. Bumbling and stumbling and fumbling through a mess made by scoundrels and idiots that came before him, it has been argued, even by his closest allies, that he made it worse.


Give it a rest, man.

Dec 20, 2011, 14:43


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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Re: de fault

Mu Mu wrote:
Give it a rest, man.


Whahhh? MU MU? CyberPainter? (Are you secretly one and the same person posing as and posting under different identities?) It's OK. I understand.

However, if not, I feel I really must reply to CyberPainter again since she(?) asked a question, so if Mu Mu needs to 'give it a rest' he(?) can simply choose not read it. I guess.

Dec 20, 2011, 15:46


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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Re: de fault

Psi-Phi wrote:
In the meantime, look it up. Riots. Fistfights. Gunfights. Murder. Mayhem. Malaise.

It all happened in 1979. Carter was President. I know whereof I speak. I was there, and I wrote about it all then, while it was happening.


Before I make it back to my office, here are just a few episodes from the summer of 1979, (during the latter part of the Carter Administration, for those who are just tuning in) published in Time Magazine:

In suburban Bethesda, Md., Texaco Station Owner Robert Cooke was tired of the hassle. He had watched fistfights in the lines and been offered bribes by motorists seeking short cuts. 'Women have offered to go in the back room with me. Once a guy cut in line, and a woman went up and tried to pull him out of his car. Sometimes you wonder if the money you make is worth all this.'

Two murders had resulted from gas brawls in that borough (NYC.) Andrew Medosa, 22, was shot and killed at an Amoco station, according to police, by Dennis Resales, 23, after their two cars collided as each tried to switch into a different gas line.

Fritz Boutain, 29, got into a fight with an unidentified assailant after their two cars bumped at a Shell station. The other man pulled a knife, stabbed Boutain fatally, and fled.

In Braintree, Mass., Sunoco Station Manager Bruce Weir was laboring over his books at 6:15 a.m. 'I saw a fellow pull up to the pump in a late model Chevy Malibu and I went out and knocked at the window and I said, 'I'm sorry, sir, we don't sell gas till 7.' I started back and got two steps from the door when I felt a big bang on my left leg. I grabbed my leg. Below me was a bottle of Heineken's, half full. Now I walk
backwards.'

There is a great deal more. But it will have to wait. Or maybe I'll just 'give it a rest' as Mu Mu suggests, and move on to other topics. Unless of course, popular demand (or my own ego interests) compel me to comment further.

Dec 20, 2011, 16:45


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matthew6
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Re: de fault

Psi-Phi wrote:
Psi-Phi wrote:
In the meantime, look it up. Riots. Fistfights. Gunfights. Murder. Mayhem. Malaise.

It all happened in 1979. Carter was President. I know whereof I speak. I was there, and I wrote about it all then, while it was happening.


Before I make it back to my office, here are just a few episodes from the summer of 1979, (during the latter part of the Carter Administration, for those who are just tuning in) published in Time Magazine:

In suburban Bethesda, Md., Texaco Station Owner Robert Cooke was tired of the hassle. He had watched fistfights in the lines and been offered bribes by motorists seeking short cuts. 'Women have offered to go in the back room with me. Once a guy cut in line, and a woman went up and tried to pull him out of his car. Sometimes you wonder if the money you make is worth all this.'

Two murders had resulted from gas brawls in that borough (NYC.) Andrew Medosa, 22, was shot and killed at an Amoco station, according to police, by Dennis Resales, 23, after their two cars collided as each tried to switch into a different gas line.

Fritz Boutain, 29, got into a fight with an unidentified assailant after their two cars bumped at a Shell station. The other man pulled a knife, stabbed Boutain fatally, and fled.

In Braintree, Mass., Sunoco Station Manager Bruce Weir was laboring over his books at 6:15 a.m. 'I saw a fellow pull up to the pump in a late model Chevy Malibu and I went out and knocked at the window and I said, 'I'm sorry, sir, we don't sell gas till 7.' I started back and got two steps from the door when I felt a big bang on my left leg. I grabbed my leg. Below me was a bottle of Heineken's, half full. Now I walk
backwards.'

There is a great deal more. But it will have to wait. Or maybe I'll just 'give it a rest' as Mu Mu suggests, and move on to other topics. Unless of course, popular demand (or my own ego interests) compel me to comment further.


These are the type of random events that can occur without Presidential mismanagement. To prove that widespread murder and 'riots' occurred you are going to need a lot more references. A comparison of crime rates before, during, and after the gas crisis would help your cause. Considering the high rate of inner city murder that has occurred in the U.S over the past fifty years, common sense would tell me that gas line murders are beyond trivial.

Dec 20, 2011, 17:48


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Dara
Dara
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Re: de fault

Psi-Phi wrote:
Mu Mu wrote:
Give it a rest, man.


Whahhh? MU MU? CyberPainter? (Are you secretly one and the same person posing as and posting under different identities?) It's OK. I understand.

However, if not, I feel I really must reply to CyberPainter again since she(?) asked a question, so if Mu Mu needs to 'give it a rest' he(?) can simply choose not read it. I guess.


Looks like you are under attack from the White Corpustles too...

Don't bother - believe me, it really is not worth it.

Dec 20, 2011, 18:07


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
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Re: Can/will Obama win a second term?

First of all this is a stupid question because the incumbent always has the advantage.

Just my personal feelings about the way the topic has been introduced for conversation.

yeah, duh, the incumbent always has a good chance of winning.

Dec 20, 2011, 18:51


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
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Re: Can/will Obama win a second term?

s_lush_s wrote:
First of all this is a stupid question because the incumbent always has the advantage.

Just my personal feelings about the way the topic has been introduced for conversation.

yeah, duh, the incumbent always has a good chance of winning.



well maybe not always but certainly everytime

Dec 20, 2011, 18:55


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Dara
Dara
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virtual 'biological' defences

Dara wrote:
Looks like you are under attack from the White Corpustles too...


...and the white corpuscles too!

Dec 20, 2011, 18:56

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