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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
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Leaping Lords and French Hens

Sent to me by a friend:

There is one Christmas Carol that has always baffled me. What in the world do leaping lords, French hens, swimming swans, and especially the partridge in a pear tree have to do with Christmas? This week, I found out.

From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics.

It has two levels of meaning: the surface meaning plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious element which the children could remember.

1-Partridge in a pear tree: Jesus Christ.
2-Turtle doves: The Old and New Testaments.
3-French hens: Faith, Hope and Charity.
4-Calling birds: The Four Gospels.
(Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.)
5-Golden rings: First 5 Books of the Bible.
(The Pentateuch, or Torah, or Law.)
6-Geese a-laying: Six days of Creation.
7-Swans a-swimming: The Sevenfold Gifts
(of the Holy Spirit - Prophesy, Serving,
Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution,
Leadership, and Mercy.)
8-Maids a-milking: Eight Beatitudes.
9-Ladies dancing: Nine Fruits of Holy Spirit
(Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness,
Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness,
and Self Control.)
10-Lords a-leaping: The Ten Commandments.
11-Pipers piping: The 11 Faithful Disciples.
12-Drummers drumming: The 12 Points of Belief
(contained in the Apostles' Creed.)

So there is your history for today. This knowledge was shared with me and I found it interesting and enlightening and now I know how that strange song became a Christmas Carol...so pass it on if you wish.

Merry Christmas, Everyone!

Dec 29, 2011, 20:35


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
5140 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

Hmm. Something I've always wanted to know. Thank you Psi-Phi for the facts. I trust in your accuracy as a source for news and opinion.

Dec 29, 2011, 20:37


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
182 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

s_lush_s wrote:
Hmm. Something I've always wanted to know. Thank you Psi-Phi for the facts. I trust in your accuracy as a source for news and opinion.


Well, actually, I was just passing along a bit of information sent to me by a friend. Although he is a physicist, an engineer of impeccable reputation and a source of information whom I trust, I have not exactly vetted the story by performing the due diligence that now, I guess, I necessarily must.

(I do want you to trust in the Psi-Phi Channel.)

However, if I don't do the research, I'm sure someone else on this Board will, if for no other reason than to call 'Bullshit!' on my post.

So maybe I'll just trust in that.

How about you? Why don't YOU check it out?

Report back to me when you get it done.

Dec 29, 2011, 20:52


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
5140 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

oh yes immediately.

Dec 29, 2011, 21:01


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Kazak
Kazak
1085 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

I'll pass.

Dec 29, 2011, 21:16


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and0rod4
476 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

thats useful!

Dec 29, 2011, 21:20


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Psi-Phi
Psi-Phi
182 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

Psi-Phi wrote:
However, if I don't do the research, I'm sure someone else on this Board will, if for no other reason than to call 'Bullshit!' on my post.


A 'Fact' is not 'Knowledge' which itself is not 'Understanding' which likewise is not 'Wisdom.'

In the Age of Information, is it possible to know anything? I have just done exhaustive research on the Topic over the last few minutes on the Internet. Exhaustive!

Following is a compendium of opinions pro and con on the subject, which suggests that the answer to the question posed above is, "Yes!"

The popular song "The Twelve Days of Christmas" is usually seen as simply a nonsense song for children with secular origins. However, some have suggested that it is a song of Christian instruction, perhaps dating to the 16th century religious wars in England, with hidden references to the basic teachings of the Christian Faith.

They contend that it was a mnemonic device to teach the catechism to youngsters. The "true love" mentioned in the song is not an earthly suitor, but refers to God Himself. The "me" who receives the presents refers to every baptized person who is part of the Christian Faith. Each of the "days" represents some aspect of the Christian Faith that was important for children to learn.

However, many have questioned the historical accuracy of this origin of the song The Twelve Days of Christmas. While some have tried to debunk this as an "urban myth" out of personal agendas, others have tried to deal with this account of the song's origin in the name of historical accuracy. There is little "hard" evidence available either way. Some church historians affirm this account as basically accurate, while others point out apparent historical and logical discrepancies.

However, we need to acknowledge that the "evidence" on both sides is mostly in logical deduction and probabilities. Lack of positive evidence does not automatically provide negative evidence. One internet site devoted to debunking hoaxes and legends says that, "there is no substantive evidence to demonstrate that the song 'The Twelve Days of Christmas' was created or used as a secret means of preserving tenets of the Catholic faith, or that this claim is anything but a fanciful modern day speculation. . .."

What is omitted is that there is no "substantive evidence" that will disprove it either.

It is certainly possible, in fact probable, that this view of the song is legendary or anecdotal. Without corroboration and in the absence of "substantive evidence," we probably should not take rigid positions on either side and turn the song into a crusade for personal opinions. That would do more to violate the spirit of Christmas than the song is worth. So, for the sake of historical accuracy, we need to acknowledge the likelihood that the song had secular origins.

However, on another level, this should not prevent us from using the song in celebration of Christmas. Many of the symbols of Christianity were not originally religious, including even the present date of Christmas, but were appropriated from contemporary culture by the Christian Faith as vehicles of worship and proclamation. Perhaps, when all is said and done, historical accuracy is not really the point.

Perhaps more important is that Christians can celebrate their rich heritage, and God's grace, through one more avenue this Christmas. Now, when they hear what they once thought was only a secular "nonsense song," they will be reminded in one more way of the grace of God working in transforming ways in their lives and in our world. After all, is that not the meaning of Christmas anyway?

Dec 29, 2011, 21:34


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
3712 posts

Re: Leaping Lords and French Hens

Though it could be true, it sure sounds like something that would be added on after the fact, and a wee bit contrived. But who knows.

Dec 30, 2011, 06:02


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wracket
wracket
1215 posts

Snopes verdict = FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/music/12days.asp

Dec 31, 2011, 11:34


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
3712 posts

Re: Snopes verdict = FALSE

The explanation above mentions snope, but debunks the explanation with very little sense and a lot of glossing over.

Dec 31, 2011, 18:45

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