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Kazak
Kazak
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Atheism

(Sorry, about the dupe thread, actually sort of wanted to discuss this...)

The problem is, theism doesn't exactly jive with evolution, yes? Well, hell, neither does non-geocentrism! If one loses theism, or never has it, what is one left with? But, it is!

(I, personally, do not think theism and religion are mutually exclusive.)

Jun 19, 2012, 06:21


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jauntymonty
jauntymonty
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Just to cut to the chase, when you die your are dead meat. There is no hereafter. The whole concept of God was to give hope to those who can't deal with death ...so rest easy, in death you go to another plane of life.

What bugs me about the term Atheism is those who say if you are an Atheist then you don't believe in anything. It is not so black and white. One can believe in what is real, that is, love with your S.O., your friends and kindness to strangers. Compassion is real. Heaven or hell is not real as actual places or 4th dimensional realms. Heaven and Hell are conditions, moods, mental hideaways where we all go, usually temporarily. Nothing profound tonight. But it was good to get that out. We don't admit this in our real lives. It just doesn't jive with family and the work place.

Jun 19, 2012, 06:45


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Kazak
Kazak
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Re: Atheism

Thanks for that. It's all the more precious when you realize this is your chance to live it.

Jun 19, 2012, 06:51


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calapia
calapia
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Re: Atheism

jauntymonty wrote:
Just to cut to the chase, when you die your are dead meat. There is no hereafter. The whole concept of God was to give hope to those who can't deal with death ...so rest easy, in death you go to another plane of life.

I'm sorry - and what is your proof of this? Please don't mistake me as religious, but if you are an atheist, and "believe" in what you say, and mock religious people for believing in a hereafter, what proof do YOU have that this is what happens after death? Isn't the disturbing truth that we don't know with any certainty what happens after death?

Jun 19, 2012, 16:50


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Labhead
Labhead
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calapia wrote:
jauntymonty wrote:
Just to cut to the chase, when you die your are dead meat. There is no hereafter. The whole concept of God was to give hope to those who can't deal with death ...so rest easy, in death you go to another plane of life.

I'm sorry - and what is your proof of this? Please don't mistake me as religious, but if you are an atheist, and "believe" in what you say, and mock religious people for believing in a hereafter, what proof do YOU have that this is what happens after death? Isn't the disturbing truth that we don't know with any certainty what happens after death?


This is why I choose to be an "agnostic atheist". I realize that anything is possible and that we can't possibly know anything with 100% certainty, but at the same time, I see no reason to believe that there is an afterlife or any type of god that the various 'bible' types describe.

Jun 19, 2012, 18:39


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Mars Rover
Mars Rover
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Re: Atheism

Labhead wrote:
calapia wrote:
jauntymonty wrote:
Just to cut to the chase, when you die your are dead meat. There is no hereafter. The whole concept of God was to give hope to those who can't deal with death ...so rest easy, in death you go to another plane of life.

I'm sorry - and what is your proof of this? Please don't mistake me as religious, but if you are an atheist, and "believe" in what you say, and mock religious people for believing in a hereafter, what proof do YOU have that this is what happens after death? Isn't the disturbing truth that we don't know with any certainty what happens after death?


This is why I choose to be an "agnostic atheist". I realize that anything is possible and that we can't possibly know anything with 100% certainty, but at the same time, I see no reason to believe that there is an afterlife or any type of god that the various 'bible' types describe.


same.

Jun 19, 2012, 19:28


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Mars Rover
Mars Rover
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i don't know that we need to "have" anything. i'm doing ok without it i think. everyone has something that motivates them. make your family and friends your religion. make your hobbies a cathartic release. i get lost in the woods and feel its better than any church. when i'm there i wonder why anyone needs to go to one. to each their own however.

Jun 19, 2012, 19:34


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Mars Rover
Mars Rover
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Re: Atheism

and to quote my favorite philosopher:

"If a voice from the clouds suddenly addressed me, speaking my name in trombone tones, or some angel suddenly addressed me in an aura of blue flame came floating toward me...I think I would be more embarrassed than frightened --frightened by the vulgarity of such a display. That is what depresses me about the mysticism of Carlos Castaneda and his like: their poverty of imagination. As any honest magician knows, true magic inheres in the ordinary, the commonplace, the everyday, the mystery of the obvious. Only petty minds and trivial souls yearn for supernatural events, incapable of perceiving that everything --everything! --within and around them is pure miracle." Ed Abbey

Jun 19, 2012, 19:43


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Kazak
Kazak
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Re: Atheism

calapia wrote:
jauntymonty wrote:
Just to cut to the chase, when you die your are dead meat. There is no hereafter. The whole concept of God was to give hope to those who can't deal with death ...so rest easy, in death you go to another plane of life.

I'm sorry - and what is your proof of this? Please don't mistake me as religious, but if you are an atheist, and "believe" in what you say, and mock religious people for believing in a hereafter, what proof do YOU have that this is what happens after death? Isn't the disturbing truth that we don't know with any certainty what happens after death?



To me, the proof lies in understanding that the effect we call our conscience is the result of the material neural networks that reside in each of our respective brains. Once the neural networks that results in the effect we collectively call "Kazak" inevitably decays, what will produce and sustain my conscience?

Jun 19, 2012, 19:55


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calapia
calapia
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Re: Atheism

Mars Rover wrote:
and to quote my favorite philosopher:

"If a voice from the clouds suddenly addressed me, speaking my name in trombone tones, or some angel suddenly addressed me in an aura of blue flame came floating toward me...I think I would be more embarrassed than frightened --frightened by the vulgarity of such a display. That is what depresses me about the mysticism of Carlos Castaneda and his like: their poverty of imagination. As any honest magician knows, true magic inheres in the ordinary, the commonplace, the everyday, the mystery of the obvious. Only petty minds and trivial souls yearn for supernatural events, incapable of perceiving that everything --everything! --within and around them is pure miracle." Ed Abbey


VERY nice

Jun 19, 2012, 19:56

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