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Mu Mu
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"There are plenty of guns in Canada – and yet the annual gun murder count in Canada is around 200 deaths."

Friends,

Since Cain went nuts and whacked Abel, there have always been those humans who, for one reason or another, go temporarily or permanently insane and commit unspeakable acts of violence. There was the Roman Emperor Tiberius, who during the first century A.D. enjoyed throwing victims off a cliff on the Mediterranean island of Capri. Gilles de Rais, a French knight and ally of Joan of Arc during the middle ages, went cuckoo-for-Cocoa Puffs one day and ended up murdering hundreds of children. Just a few decades later Vlad the Impaler, the inspiration for Dracula, was killing people in Transylvania in numberless horrifying ways.

In modern times, nearly every nation has had a psychopath or two commit a mass murder, regardless of how strict their gun laws are – the crazed white supremacist in Norway one year ago Sunday, the schoolyard butcher in Dunblane, Scotland, the Ιcole Polytechnique killer in Montreal, the mass murderer in Erfurt, Germany … the list seems endless.

And now the Aurora shooter last Friday. There have always been insane people, and there always will be.

But here's the difference between the rest of the world and us: We have TWO Auroras that take place every single day of every single year! At least 24 Americans every day (8-9,000 a year) are killed by people with guns – and that doesn't count the ones accidentally killed by guns or who commit suicide with a gun. Count them and you can triple that number to over 25,000.

That means the United States is responsible for over 80% of all the gun deaths in the 23 richest countries combined. Considering that the people of those countries, as human beings, are no better or worse than any of us, well, then, why us?

Both conservatives and liberals in America operate with firmly held beliefs as to "the why" of this problem. And the reason neither can find their way out of the box toward a real solution is because, in fact, they're both half right.

The right believes that the Founding Fathers, through some sort of divine decree, have guaranteed them the absolute right to own as many guns as they desire. And they will ceaselessly remind you that a gun cannot fire itself – that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Of course, they know they're being intellectually dishonest (if I can use that word) when they say that about the Second Amendment because they know the men who wrote the constitution just wanted to make sure a militia could be quickly called up from amongst the farmers and merchants should the Brits decide to return and wreak some havoc.

But they are half right when they say "Guns don't kill people." I would just alter that slogan slightly to speak the real truth: "Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people."

Because we're the only ones in the first world who do this en masse. And you'll hear all stripes of Americans come up with a host of reasons so that they don't have to deal with what's really behind all this murder and mayhem.

They'll say it's the violent movies and video games that are responsible. Last time I checked, the movies and video games in Japan are more violent than ours – and yet usually fewer than 20 people a year are killed there with guns – and in 2006 the number was two!

Others will say it's the number of broken homes that lead to all this killing. I hate to break this to you, but there are almost as many single-parent homes in the U.K. as there are here – and yet, in Great Britain, there are usually fewer than 40 gun murders a year.

People like me will say this is all the result of the U.S. having a history and a culture of men with guns, "cowboys and Indians," "shoot first and ask questions later." And while it is true that the mass genocide of the Native Americans set a pretty ugly model to found a country on, I think it's safe to say we're not the only ones with a violent past or a penchant for genocide. Hello, Germany! That's right I'm talking about you and your history, from the Huns to the Nazis, just loving a good slaughter (as did the Japanese, and the British who ruled the world for hundreds of years – and they didn't achieve that through planting daisies). And yet in Germany, a nation of 80 million people, there are only around 200 gun murders a year.

So those countries (and many others) are just like us – except for the fact that more people here believe in God and go to church than any other Western nation.

My liberal compatriots will tell you if we just had less guns, there would be less gun deaths. And, mathematically, that would be true. If you have less arsenic in the water supply, it will kill less people. Less of anything bad – calories, smoking, reality TV – will kill far fewer people. And if we had strong gun laws that prohibited automatic and semi-automatic weapons and banned the sale of large magazines that can hold a gazillion bullets, well, then shooters like the man in Aurora would not be able to shoot so many people in just a few minutes.

But this, too, has a problem. There are plenty of guns in Canada (mostly hunting rifles) – and yet the annual gun murder count in Canada is around 200 deaths. In fact, because of its proximity, Canada's culture is very similar to ours – the kids play the same violent video games, watch the same movies and TV shows, and yet they don't grow up wanting to kill each other. Switzerland has the third-highest number of guns per capita on earth, but still a low murder rate.

So – why us?

I posed this question a decade ago in my film 'Bowling for Columbine,' and this week, I have had little to say because I feel I said what I had to say ten years ago – and it doesn't seem to have done a whole lot of good other than to now look like it was actually a crystal ball posing as a movie.

This is what I said then, and it is what I will say again today:

1. We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. It's invasion as foreign policy. Sure there's Iraq and Afghanistan – but we've been invaders since we "conquered the wild west" and now we're hooked so bad we don't even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn't hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don't have a loved one over there don't spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.

2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, #1 in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other (here's a good example of what I mean).

Those are my thoughts about Aurora and the violent country I am a citizen of. Like I said, I spelled it all out here if you'd like to watch it or share it for free with others. All we're lacking here, my friends, is the courage and the resolve. I'm in if you are.

Yours,
Michael Moore

Jul 25, 2012, 22:15


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s_lush_s
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Michael Moore is not my friend. I'm sure his bodyguard packs heat. If Michael Moore loves Canada so much why doesn't he scoot his mooseface to Sasketchewan. I think Canada is lovely, been there, would love to go again. There are plenty of guns in Switzerland, in fact it's a law to own one.
I guess my point was that America has become a police state (and probably Canada, too) and there's a New World Order. It didn't really have anything to do with Michael Moore accept he ignited the sentiment.

Jul 25, 2012, 23:50


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s_lush_s wrote:
If Michael Moore loves Canada so much why doesn't he scoot his mooseface to Sasketchewan.


Classic Slushy! - fantastic! LOL

Jul 26, 2012, 00:19


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cyberpainter
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He does have good points. I don't see much of a solution forthcoming. I see a ridiculous amount of hate spewing out in our country right now in all directions.

Jul 26, 2012, 08:06


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s_lush_s wrote:
Michael Moore is not my friend. I'm sure his bodyguard packs heat. If Michael Moore loves Canada so much why doesn't he scoot his mooseface to Sasketchewan. I think Canada is lovely, been there, would love to go again. There are plenty of guns in Switzerland, in fact it's a law to own one.
I guess my point was that America has become a police state (and probably Canada, too) and there's a New World Order. It didn't really have anything to do with Michael Moore accept he ignited the sentiment.



If all the good Americans were to move to Canada, who will be left in the USA? Fundamentalist christians, trigger happy morons? Do you want the USA to become even more theocratic and war-mongering? For the good of your country, you better not wish for your smartest citizens to move up north.

Jul 26, 2012, 09:58


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Mu Mu
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JS wrote:
If all the good Americans were to move to Canada, who will be left in the USA?the good o Fundamentalist christians, trigger happy morons? Do you want the USA to become even more theocratic and war-mongering?


Slushy and her huge stockpile of guns & ammo.

Jul 26, 2012, 16:04


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No, Michael Moore seems to have an affinity for the place. Why weren't hospitals like the one I worked at that, that offer low cost, high quality health care plans and are available in every city in America mentioned in his film Sicko? Because he's a sensationalist and provocateur who presents partial truths. I in know way believe Canada had 200 gun deaths last year. Maybe 200 accidental shootings. My grandfather was a homicide detective, before Manson and I'll be damned if I'm going to rely on Micheal Moore for any of the facts.
The problem with healthcare is that Anatomy and Physiology is not a mandatory high school course and people are ignorant about their own bodies.
I have a Medicaid card and I'm certain it's better than anything in Canada, if not then why else would the psychiatrist at the University hospital let me come in and push him around at a cost to the government of 500 dollars where my private dr chareges me 91 and sends nothing to the government. So medicaid is good.
To have successful visits to the doctor you need a background in healthcare and you also need to be able to audit the place.
But you're talking about gun control. In the city of Dallas there is a minimum of 2,000 registered sex offenders per postal code. Now that's just s. O'rs not counting all the other criminals. J.S. What am I supposed to do when I'm attacked? Can't I defend myself and save the government the expense it would take to prosecute and imprison the assailant?

Jul 26, 2012, 22:25


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Mu Mu wrote:
JS wrote:
If all the good Americans were to move to Canada, who will be left in the USA?the good o Fundamentalist christians, trigger happy morons? Do you want the USA to become even more theocratic and war-mongering?


Slushy and her huge stockpile of guns & ammo.



and her OSPREY. I don't have a stockpile of guns and ammo. And the murder rate in my town is almost nonexistent and most of the time doesn't involve guns. We have a shooting range about 4 blocks. There was a gun show last weekend in the same civic center as the Steam Punk convention. Almost all the shootings are drug or gang related, and most of those guns are obtained illegally.
J.S. skated around the observation about mandatory gun laws in Switzerland for an opportunity to generalize and America-bash. I wasn't Canada bashing. Michael Moore seems to like the place. I liked the place. I had a great time in BC, long ago. Have you ever visited America, JS?

Jul 26, 2012, 22:41


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s_lush_s
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Michael Moore is just jealous nobody hacked people up during one of his films which the only good one is Roger and me and he should go back to Michigan is where he should go.
Micheal Moore has never been to that theater. You have never been to that theater. I have. It's really easy for him to speculate about all these ideas and for you guys to go "yeah" It's always a different perspective when events of this magnitude are in your backyard.

Jul 26, 2012, 22:57


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cyberpainter
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s_lush_s wrote:
Michael Moore is just jealous nobody hacked people up during one of his films which the only good one is Roger and me and he should go back to Michigan is where he should go.
Micheal Moore has never been to that theater. You have never been to that theater. I have. It's really easy for him to speculate about all these ideas and for you guys to go "yeah" It's always a different perspective when events of this magnitude are in your backyard.



You're giving your opinion as are the other people on this forum. You're perspective because you went to that theater once isn't more valid, just different.

Jul 27, 2012, 17:50

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