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Left Boob Oscillator
Left Boob Oscillator
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cybele wrote:
You both have valid points, but Soon Yi thing was kind of creepy. Junxtapose not only the age difference but the fact that she was his stepdaughter and you have Woody not keeping his woody in the right place.

Forget about society and the sub-conscious attraction to fertility in young women--gentlemen must draw the line somewhere. If we didn't, then incest would not only be a societal taboo, but we'd be walking around like a bunch of deformed Habsburgs in Ted Nugent attire.

Cybele


See above...She wasn't his stepdaughter.

Feb 11, 2009, 19:03


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cybele
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I think that young, skinny women are hot. I really can't help how I feel about it, I don't feel guilty about feeling that way, I won't apologize for it, and I'm not alone.

I don't like anorexic women though. Freaky.

Cybele

Feb 11, 2009, 19:22


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mirtchevman
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cyberpainter wrote:
There's just way too much porn in the world for that argument to have much validity. And it's besides the point anyway, it's the perception that it's ok for men, but not for women that is the reason for my argument. It's not a conspiracy, it's a societal problem with perception and an ingrained sexism that hasn't completely been overcome yet. I just don't like the double standard giving men a green light and older women a red light to dating someone much younger. Older women still have to deal with some sexism and stereotypes in our society.


i hate to say it but i've watched my good share of 'adult entertainment' and i don't think it's besides the point at all. i believe that it has a lot more cultural sway than anyone in the west is willing to admit -- it's a multi-billion dollar industry because a good many of us pay to watch it but none of us will admit it!

the reason i mention this because of the phenomenon which has been growing within it over the course of the last few years. the whole concept of the 'MILF' speaks to a cultural shift that's now happening. a huge niche has opened up for older women in that industry -- it's no longer considered weird or freakish. say what you will about porn but it is making young men more open to the idea of being with older women. yes, it's a crude tool with which to open the doors of perception a little more but maybe now that it is, perhaps we'll start to see some real changes in that area...

Feb 11, 2009, 21:14


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As long as there are no GILFs, sexism prevails!

Feb 11, 2009, 21:43


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Mu Mu
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I accidentally (I swear) downloaded a gilf flick... not pretty, really not.

Feb 11, 2009, 21:46


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mirtchevman
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and none of us have talked about the needs of an older woman versus the needs of an older man when it comes to the opposite sex.

men don't change a whole lot in that area for the most part. women's needs -- or maybe the better word is expectations, generally change more frequently at different stages in their lives. maybe that's why you see fewer relationships between young men and older women -- maybe they don't wanna deal with all the demands that would be made of them...?

Feb 11, 2009, 22:47


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cyberpainter
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mirtchevman wrote:
and none of us have talked about the needs of an older woman versus the needs of an older man when it comes to the opposite sex.

men don't change a whole lot in that area for the most part. women's needs -- or maybe the better word is expectations, generally change more frequently at different stages in their lives. maybe that's why you see fewer relationships between young men and older women -- maybe they don't wanna deal with all the demands that would be made of them...?


Women of all ages have expectations that some men have trouble with, it's a little tug of war between the sexes that has no age attached.

If you're talking about sex, people probably get more experienced with age. ;)

Feb 12, 2009, 06:23


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cyberpainter
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Left Boob Oscillator wrote:

As long as there are no GILFs, sexism prevails!


Very funny.

Feb 12, 2009, 06:25


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hito
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I guess whinging about whinging is funny

Feb 12, 2009, 12:01


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cyberpainter
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Left Boob Oscillator wrote:
cyberpainter wrote:


Saying they just unconsciously are attracted to baby makers, just doesn't wash in my opinion. There's just way too much porn in the world for that argument to have much validity. And it's besides the point anyway, it's the perception that it's ok for men, but not for women that is the reason for my argument. It's not a conspiracy, it's a societal problem with perception and an ingrained sexism that hasn't completely been overcome yet. I just don't like the double standard giving men a green light and older women a red light to dating someone much younger. Older women still have to deal with some sexism and stereotypes in our society.


There are adult magazines with pictures of older women in them, too. In fact, there are magazines for just about whatever you might like. So, I don't think that men are attracted to young women because they see them in magazines. For instance, if I liked older, fat women, I don't think I would change my mind because I saw lots of young, skinny ones in magazines. What we see doesn't change our innate preference. And the innate drive of mankind is to procreate.

I do think there is an unhealthy obsession with youth and being skinny in the fashion world, though, which leads to young women becoming anorexic. But that is a different topic.



It doesn't just lead to young women being anorexic or being too self conscious about the way they look, it also leads to unrealistic expectations by boys and men. They are not out of the equation, in being victims of this and also being responsible. We're all as a society responsible. In my opinion you can't just explain sexism away by some unconscious urge to procreate.

And no one can say the predominant porn is not about youth, of course it is. But you can find anything if you look. I really wish I hadn't mentioned porn, because the original topic, of older women not being treated equally isn't an issue with porn. Not too many older men in porn either. It's not the point I was making certainly. It's that our media and our societal expectations and taboos haven't changed enough to match reality. Or at least to be equal for older men and older women.

Feb 12, 2009, 17:07

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