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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

It's inappropriate on the official Stereolab forum, IMO. I don't understand why it's so hard to stay on the topic- Stereolab! That's all we should be talking about, IMO. Everyone of us should be a walking stereolab encyclopedia, know every single lyric, note, and beat.
We're the worst fans ever. I didn't notice Stereolab passing birth control to the audience although I have heard them singing about anti-depressants.
We're failures. I'm going to get back to my classical origins research project. Peace.

Nov 05, 2012, 01:20


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
7383 posts

Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

cyberpainter wrote:
s_lush_s wrote:
What an embarrassing, demeaning, foolish argument we had. Go build a house and make it tiny. Use your microscopic hammer. God talking about vaginas, could you refrain and next time get out your infinitesimal tool chest and get to work on your micro abobe.


No, it wasn't, and no I won't.




Yeah, I don't blame you. My prefab stereolab house will be assembled by stereolab's robot.

Nov 05, 2012, 01:49


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hito
hito
1745 posts

Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

Kazak wrote:
why would I choose to address them considering the way you've chosen to respond to others who've attempted,


Now to be fair, I was a bit abrupt with Matthew because he didn't appear to have engaged with what I had said, so sorry to you, Matthew. I was annoyed at cyberpainter so you copped a terse reply too. It is not really an excuse so sorry.

But I hardly think cyberpainter attempted to respond in anything but an abusive way, Kazak. It astounds me the support she gets when her post was simply a personal insult in response to something that I said that did not personally attack anyone. Obviously other people have different boundaries when it comes to loyalty to friends. I cannot see myself ever supporting a friend who simply sets out to insult somebody else. I realise there are many forumites who disagree with this and will support cyberpainter no matter what bullying she comes up with. Nobody could justify her reply, not even cyberpainter herself and yet she gets off scot free and I get the jeers. Well, each to their own.

Anyway, I did put a bit of thought into my post about democracy so I would be keen to hear what others actually think about it. I don't know that the opinion is my truth but I like the idea of straying from the everyday and exploring possibilities. Human beings are interesting and somewhat dysfunctional and yet we rely on them to make important decisions.

I have often thought about democracy when it comes to other complicated things. We don't design TVs via democracy. Nor do we build houses that way. We get experts. Yet when it comes to things like women's rights, the design has to be popular. When it comes to saving the planet, majority rules. Mill's point about the tyranny of the masses came to mind, hence the post.

I also think in relation to Matthew's point about wealth that we often think things work because of democracy. And yet, the very wealth the west enjoys appears to come from invasion, genocide, prejudicial trade barriers, over-exploitation of the planet and the continuing existence of the working poor (either locally or globally).

I also think about countries that are wealthy despite the lack of democracy (China, Saudi Arabia and even India as its democracy is so obviously corrupt). I would be curious to hear why people think democracy creates wealth.

And finally, I think the destructive nature of people, generally the poor is the elephant in the room. Even conservatives mask their discussion of poorer people under a kind of Marxist or utilitarian logic that supposes the their policies are the best thing for everybody as opposed to simply those who work hard. The question I have is why we think things will work when we know that the provision of goods to people does not necessarily provide improvement. Check out government housing in western democracies and you will see that it is often trashed and neglected. Now some could say that it is the fault of the government but ultimately, a person only lives once and they have to take responsibility if the government will not. If people are given houses then they should look after them. If people are given unslashed train seats then they should not slash them...but they do. People break street lights, people abuse teachers in public schools, people smash bottles on the road and litter their own street. So what do we do about this? It is a fantasy to think that simply increasing wealth or access to facilities will change things. I like - to some extent- the Black Panther or Hamas logic that says that people have to look out for themselves.

So of course, people will vote for Romney or Obama and they may think something will change but I don't agree. If we take gay rights, obviously Obama is pushing in the right direction but the change is very slow. Gay people have had to protest, die, lobby and so on for such a long time to get some change. My point to consider was (and not it was just a consideration, cyberpainter) whether democracy is indeed the best system to bring about that change. Whether asking every idiot to agree that as a human being you can marry your chosen partner is indeed sensible.

Nov 05, 2012, 08:22


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

hito wrote:


But I hardly think cyberpainter attempted to respond in anything but an abusive way, Kazak. It astounds me the support she gets when her post was simply a personal insult in response to something that I said that did not personally attack anyone. Obviously other people have different boundaries when it comes to loyalty to friends. I cannot see myself ever supporting a friend who simply sets out to insult somebody else. I realise there are many forumites who disagree with this and will support cyberpainter no matter what bullying she comes up with. Nobody could justify her reply, not even cyberpainter herself and yet she gets off scot free and I get the jeers. Well, each to their own.



My original comments to you were not bullying nor were they abusive, totally ridiculous. You mentioned the word snarky, which might be more apt. You did notice the wink? A person like you can't begin to make yourself look like a victim to anyone here. You've burned too many bridges.

I was responding to your generalizations about the poor. The lives lived by some growing up in poverty, which frequently includes abuse which is not easy to overcome, makes your broad strokes about them being lazy very debatable. I'm an educator and have seen how hard it is to reach kids who have to go home to abusive lives.

But your repeated comments over a couple threads about me being dumb, and who knows what other nasty insults you hurled at me, make me in no way interested in having more interaction with you. Way too unpleasant.

Nov 05, 2012, 09:45


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hito
hito
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

cyberpainter wrote:
hito wrote:


But I hardly think cyberpainter attempted to respond in anything but an abusive way, Kazak. It astounds me the support she gets when her post was simply a personal insult in response to something that I said that did not personally attack anyone. Obviously other people have different boundaries when it comes to loyalty to friends. I cannot see myself ever supporting a friend who simply sets out to insult somebody else. I realise there are many forumites who disagree with this and will support cyberpainter no matter what bullying she comes up with. Nobody could justify her reply, not even cyberpainter herself and yet she gets off scot free and I get the jeers. Well, each to their own.



My original comments to you were not bullying nor were they abusive, totally ridiculous. You mentioned the word snarky, which might be more apt. You did notice the wink? A person like you can't begin to make yourself look like a victim to anyone here. You've burned too many bridges.

I was responding to your generalizations about the poor. The lives lived by some growing up in poverty, which frequently includes abuse which is not easy to overcome, makes your broad strokes about them being lazy very debatable. I'm an educator and have seen how hard it is to reach kids who have to go home to abusive lives.

But your repeated comments over a couple threads about me being dumb, and who knows what other nasty insults you hurled at me, make me in no way interested in having more interaction with you. Way too unpleasant.


To say I am somebody who has "burnt bridges" and then claim that calling me "arrogant", a "dictator" and sarcastically reduce my extensive discussion to an anti-poor "diatribe" was all done with a wink shows that either:

a) you are dumb enough to taunt a villain

b) you think that I am dumb enough to accept your lame excuse for starting a fight.

The fact is that you started this latest round of crap. There was no reason for you to speak to me like that, you could have avoided it but you chose not to. Even if you think I am the worst person in the world, there is no excuse for you speaking to me that way as I had said nothing nasty to you in recent memory. So will you apologise? Of course not.

And if once again you want to bring up the time I "attacked" you by juxtaposing two contradictory things that you said, please don't. Every single time you do that, I ask you to justify your sob story and every time you neglect to do so because the only thing you can complain about is the fact that I posted it, not the hypocritical content provided from your own posts.

And other than that, who have I burnt bridges with? The forums resident bully, who is after all, just an alternate name used by you. So I have burnt bridges with you as rael and cyberpainter? I couldn't care less because both of you were the first ones to start a fight with me.

You were the first one to bully me and then I hit back again and again and repeatedly exposed your idiocy and hypocrisy. The same for your rael pseudonym. Time and again you have chimed in with some negative remark against BOTE or velvet water or JS or Icepulse or many others who quit the forum to escape your repeated attacks. And if you aren't rael, explain why you never disagree with a word he says, never chastise him when he attacks others? Either you support his bullying or you yourself are him, the bully (which makes sense given that you bully me)

As for your remark about the poor, I agree that there are all sorts of reasons for some (note that I specifically said not all in my original post) poor people being the way they are, including lazy. I understand that the cycle of drug addiction, unemployment, violence and whatnot explain why some poorer people struggle. If I did not make this point apparent enough, I apologise but I think that my intent was clearly there. My point was that under the current paradigm, these "damaged" people are too damaged and the solutions are either not there or unpalatable.

Furthermore, I explained that the elite group's rationale for maintaining a poor group is that:
- the majority have it very good, including very greedy rich people who keep getting richer.
- ignorance is preferable to political agitation.

If you are indeed an educator, I hope you have understood what I have said. I hope you understand that I have no more reason to blame poor people for the ills of the world than I do the rich. I hope you understand that it was most unpleasant of you to respond to something I said with nasty remarks, especially given our history.

But if you are truly an educator, I hope the next time somebody comes to you and says they were bullied, you don't say:

"(Those) comments to you were not bullying nor were they abusive, totally ridiculous."

Because I can tell you that you have no right to tell anybody else how they should perceive words like the ones you used. Moreover, the phrase:

"My original comments to you were not bullying nor were they abusive, totally ridiculous".

Is itself - without doubt - abusive bullying.

Nov 05, 2012, 12:41


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Kazak
Kazak
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

You're really a piece of work, Hito. Cyperpainter is not Cheeso. They're not even the same gender. Nor am I either one of the them. Again, I have personally met both of them. I suppose there isn't any way to prove it definitively without providing the pictures, which I wouldn't do in a million years. It's not worth it. Alternatively, with your little geniocratic diatribe back there, I begin to wonder if you are in fact JS. lol

I don't disagree that democracy is not necessarily ideal. I do however believe that arriving upon a system that is ideal is a flight of fancy. We've got what we've got and we have to operate within it. All this flim flam is only spitting in the wind.

Nov 05, 2012, 15:26


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crest
crest
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

I am in the heart of it all, ground zero, Columbus, OH. Obama is here at Nationwide Arena on this last day with Jay-Z and Bruuuuuce!! No idea on a prediction though, except that I don;t think we'll know Tuesday night ... here's also to hoping that Sherrod Brown fights off the arch-conservative Josh Mandel for the Ohio senate seat

Nov 05, 2012, 16:24


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

crest wrote:
I am in the heart of it all, ground zero, Columbus, OH. Obama is here at Nationwide Arena on this last day with Jay-Z and Bruuuuuce!! No idea on a prediction though, except that I don;t think we'll know Tuesday night ... here's also to hoping that Sherrod Brown fights off the arch-conservative Josh Mandel for the Ohio senate seat


I'm hopeful about Sherrod Brown, he's had an immense amount of Rove/Koch money put into the fight against him but he may still win.

Nov 05, 2012, 18:51


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Squirrel M. Nutter
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

I find this world that dan, I mean, hito lives in to be highly amusing.

Nov 05, 2012, 19:11


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Harold Bissonette
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Re: 2012 Election Predictions?

Well done America

Nov 07, 2012, 11:10

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