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They call it the China Price. We instituted some environmental and labour laws, to ensure that goods weren't produced at the expense of things deemed valuable by western "civilisation". And all those laws are now worth nothing, because globalisation means the countries with the fewest laws get our economic support, not very "civilised", I think. The race to the bottom. It's cut throat, dog-eat-dog capitalism, and it needs to change, because human beings are not money-making machines. We are also capable of cooperation. What do we do???

Jan 26, 2013, 01:23


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So it's just another thread for you, Cyberpainter? Here's something for you to muse on:
"Nothing in my view is more reprehensible than those habits of mind in the intellectual that induce AVOIDANCE, that characteristic turning away from a difficult and principled position which you know to be the right one, but which you decide not to take. You do not want to appear too political; you are afraid of seeming controversial; you want to keep a reputation for being balanced, objective, moderate; your hope is to be asked back, to consult, to be on a board or prestigious committee, and so to remain within the responsible mainstream; someday you hope to get an honorary degree, a big prize, perhaps even an ambassadorship." - Edward Said, 1993 Reith lectures
That's not about you, obviously. But we need the courage of our convictions. I did attack you personally actually and I'm sorry for it. The reason is that you remind me too much of myself; I'm not a radical by nature. We get lost in the nuances and the grey areas, saying truth is difficult and complicated and who knows etc etc. I think that there are lots of people like us; we are way too moderate and we have to get radical now because the balance of evidence supports everything that Sterolab and Laetitia (haven't heard her stuff though) have been on about for two sodding decades. I've done everything you have - working within the system, while trying to be as little a part of it as possible. As an individual. And I've seen time and time again that even hundreds of people, working like dogs, raising money in cake stalls and stuff, are crushed by one person with a shit-load of money. We don't live in a democracy, despite what we're told - it's a plutocracy. We have to take it on. I'm talking revolution, dude. I share your criticisms of Occupy, so we need to Occupy Occupy, or something like it. "Normal", well-informed people who are fucking worried and want a better world. What do you think?

Jan 26, 2013, 01:45


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cyberpainter
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101 wrote:
What do you think?


I think our system is very flawed, but revolution is a simplistic concept, because the replacement sounds, in your case like an incoherent confusion.

I'm not confused, and enjoy political discussion and learn more all the time. Gray areas don't bother me, it's more to work out and learn about. Nothing is simple or black and white as much as people would like life to be.

If revolution is going to happen in our country, what type of revolution would you like to see? As it is now, the people who are more fired up are the tea partiers who's views are colored by fox news propoganda and are funded by the likes of the Koch Bros. The revolution happening now is the back alley republicans trying to gerrymander whole states to disenfranchise voters. Revolution could be seen as the right wingers' war on women chipping away at their reproductive freedoms.

Revolution takes many forms.

Jan 26, 2013, 11:13


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i shop :- dill

then i drop :- dill

(its all about gherkins. as in mambo soup(:::---)

i never play.. then i like shay..




i styill got my eyes on the iphone 5 for my next upgrade.. tho.

only cos i'm like in the whole apple iphone trap 'ting.


i had my eyes on a samsung earlier..


most shops are poofs. alot of people only seek success through embarracement of who they are. alot of people lie too.

Jan 27, 2013, 07:38


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s_lush_s
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Oh it took me a while don't care people reach grab for what i want can't even get a damn album when I shop so I'm not going to shop I'm going to buy something.

Jan 28, 2013, 19:15


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I suggest you steal instead. Shoplifters of the world unite and take over. Might help with the budget problems too. Could even drink coffee at Starbucks again maybe, your life will be enriched (love those leather couches)
((actually they are quite comfy))

Jan 29, 2013, 22:31


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dill + gherkins = mambo soup
Can use basil too.

Jan 29, 2013, 22:33


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cyberpainter wrote:
101 wrote:
What do you think?


I think our system is very flawed, but revolution is a simplistic concept, because the replacement sounds, in your case like an incoherent confusion.

I'm not confused, and enjoy political discussion and learn more all the time. Gray areas don't bother me, it's more to work out and learn about. Nothing is simple or black and white as much as people would like life to be.

If revolution is going to happen in our country, what type of revolution would you like to see? As it is now, the people who are more fired up are the tea partiers who's views are colored by fox news propoganda and are funded by the likes of the Koch Bros. The revolution happening now is the back alley republicans trying to gerrymander whole states to disenfranchise voters. Revolution could be seen as the right wingers' war on women chipping away at their reproductive freedoms.

Revolution takes many forms.


It's not guns and lunatics in the streets that i am talking aabout. It's the difference between collective bargaining and an individual trying to negotiate a contract with a company; and that's pretty much it. Individualism is part of the problem I think - we need to get together and lay down tools, kind of thing. Because boy, that gets results like nothing else. If you are worried about the tea partiers then there is all the more reason for people like you (and me, but i'm not over there) to take a leaf out of their book and bring these issues to the fore.

I understand what you say about revolution resulting in "incoherent confusion". But I am completely convinced that we need a circuit breaker, because every set of data you care to look at suggests we are on a collision course with, i'm not sure how to put it, the "life-support systems" of this planet. I don't think that is a controversial statement. Our institutions are completely failing to pay heed. It is therefore up to us to dig our heels in and withdraw our cooperation - that's the revolution i have in mind.

Would you say that climate change is a grey area, Cyberpainter? If it isn't, then how is it possible that in the 2010s we have a massive expansion of new forms of fossil fuel extraction (ie fracking old wells and shale gas extraction) rather than scaling back of fossil fuel industries and replacement by renewables? I think we need to get together and remind our govts who the boss is, because at the moment it's the fossil fuel industry, and that is pretty well indisputable, according to the evidence. Black and white maybe, sorry about that. On that subject, check out Idle No More, if you're interested. This "revolution" is already started, believe it or not. Not everyone is enthusiastic about this materialistic, high-spped "culture" we've got going. (I was a post-grad student last year and boy has the university changed. A factory for industry. THe arts faculties barely exist anymore, funding has been slashed and given to biotech etc Anyway no one can afford to study literature or poetry or useless things like that anymore. It doesn't matter, or a bad sign?)

Feb 04, 2013, 06:13


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cyberpainter
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What country are you from 101? Just curious.

Feb 04, 2013, 06:31


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citizen of the earth. on the earth but not of it. What I'm describing is taking place all over. It's not just ratings agencies rating countries anymore (and why does anyone pay any attention to them anyway, after they gave Lehman Bros a AAA or whatever it was the day before it collapsed, remember that??). Now they rate universities, and the profs are under huge pressure to publish or perish - used to be a US phenomenom but it's spreading all over now, I was told. Big problem with plagiarism and faking results now, as a result. The vice-chancellor of my uni was agonising over a drop in the ranking and talking about pro-active strategies going forward, etc etc. It reminds me of the opening page of this website that always irritates me - 51st best or most influential band or whatever the hell it is? Who decided that? I imagine all the bands lined up, 1 to 100. How ridiculous. I know, I'm taking it far too seriously. It's all tonguein cheek, honestly. I've forgotten my point anyway, lucky for you. How's the Star Trek box set going? That was you wasn't it?

Feb 09, 2013, 02:15

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