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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

Firstly, I just wanted to get it clarified that Tim’s album Cavern of Anti-Matter: Blood-Drums wouldn’t have an mp3 download to purchase in the future, so I wrote to the label. Then being unhappy with their response and not quite clear about whether there would be mp3s from another label, I wrote to pikey too.

The label wrote:
Thank you for your mail. Grautag Records is a vinyl only label. So there will not be a download version. We design the records as a kind of collection where the material actually matters too.
The records you can order directly here, from the label. It's 19€ plus 8 shipping costs. (Depending where to ship to.)
Wish you a beautiful sunday!

Then pikey wrote that it's likely to be only vinyl.

I was feeling a bit pissed off about this, but have tried to get a little perspective. Tried to look past feeling like the response from the label was a bit pretentious. And calling a first album by a new band albeit an established artist, a "collection"... Sorry in my view it doesn't rate as a collection. Perhaps she meant all the albums they sell as a group are their collection, I don't know. And I'm trying not to think of the release as having excluded me. Obviously they let everyone hear it, but I don't have the ability to purchase this music by one of my favorite artists, since I don't collect vinyl. Of course I freely admit I do download a lot of music now, but try to buy CDs or mp3s from my favorite artists, and would have been happy to this time.

After hearing an opinion from a friend, I am trying to see another side of it. That Tim has a great appreciation for the whole experience of vinyl, and wants others to experience it just that way also. He may or may not have an interest in the limited distribution aspect of it. Who knows. He may also figure it will get out there, since the full songs are streamable, and can be converted and distributed free that way anyhow. In my opinion, the streams say "this music actually matters in digital form" too, not just vinyl. I would be curious to see if he addresses this in an interview in the future.

Being vinyl doesn't make it more valuable as music. It doesn't make it sound more like it's influences. But the way the label portrays itself, perhaps the experience with vinyl makes the influences come to life a little more. Frankly I don't think Tim's music needs that, it stands up on it's own.

Sep 18, 2013, 07:26


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flatironsteak
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

Umm..He doesn't care about you downloading it for free..what's the matter?

The only trouble is to to cut them into individual songs.

But I do understand, as a fan of Tim, the urge of being supportive is hard to ignore.

I too ordered what I can order on itune right away.

Sep 18, 2013, 09:24


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matthew6
matthew6
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

I think Tim is being honest about the sales prospective of this album. They're non existent. It will only appeal to a niche within a niche.

In the almost impossible circumstance that this album becomes an indy smash it, then we'll get downloads and cds.

As for the niche within a niche who don't have a record player?




Sep 18, 2013, 09:31


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Harold Bissonette
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

Does seem rather elitist. I'm one of those poor souls who have no turntable *sad face* (but I can listen to it anyway *winking face*).

The low-key manner of the release does make me think that Tim may see this as very much an experimental side project.

Sep 18, 2013, 11:29


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martin
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

The whole album is essentially an art project put together by Grautag with music based on a particular theme and a vinyl only release at the end of it.
If Tim hadn't been approached to be part of the series of Grautag releases I don't think that these tracks would necessarily be Tim's first offerings and I'm almost certain any non Grautag tracks would be available on all formats just as we've made the AER tracks available as MP3s.
Cheerio,
Pikey

Sep 18, 2013, 11:41


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Squirrel M. Nutter
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

cyberpainter wrote:
And calling a first album by a new band albeit an established artist, a "collection"... Sorry in my view it doesn't rate as a collection.

I don't think they meant "collection" as an "anthology." I think the package as a whole is a collection-artwork, vinyl, a tactile piece.

Sep 18, 2013, 16:41


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

flatironsteak wrote:
Umm..He doesn't care about you downloading it for free..what's the matter?

Do you know this for a fact? What has he said in interviews about downloading, does anyone know? Just curious really, because downloads being the reality, might be different than what the artists really think about it.

Sep 18, 2013, 17:33


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

Squirrel M. Nutter wrote:

I don't think they meant "collection" as an "anthology." I think the package as a whole is a collection-artwork, vinyl, a tactile piece.


Well any CD would fit that category and any vinyl. It's not a limited edition visual artist piece as far as I know like Eaten Horizons, just a cover by an artist, and a double album. From what pikey just wrote, sounds to me like a conceptual project put together by the label. This wasn't really clear, because a lot of labels play up moods or themes, and advertise their music with verbiage like that. I'm starting to understand that a lot of musicians these days get invited to do particular music for labels, instead of the other way around.

Sep 18, 2013, 17:41


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cyberpainter
cyberpainter
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

martin wrote:
The whole album is essentially an art project put together by Grautag with music based on a particular theme and a vinyl only release at the end of it.
If Tim hadn't been approached to be part of the series of Grautag releases I don't think that these tracks would necessarily be Tim's first offerings and I'm almost certain any non Grautag tracks would be available on all formats just as we've made the AER tracks available as MP3s.
Cheerio,
Pikey





Interesting, thanks Pikey. I'm certainly glad they exist.

Sep 18, 2013, 17:43


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Mu Mu
Mu Mu
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Re: No mp3s for Tim's new album. Vinyl only. Opinions?

i want my, i want my, i want my m p 3's

Sep 18, 2013, 17:55

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