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Harold Bissonette
Harold Bissonette
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

matthew6 wrote:
Can someone sum up what Laetitia's 'world view' is ? I am genuinely curious.


It would be presumptuous to put words in her mouth, but she has always spoken out for what benefits the whole of mankind rather than a rich elite few.

Jan 10, 2014, 13:38


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matthew6
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

Social critique is only part of her lyric subject matter. I say she deals more with philosophical/moral questions. Or sometimes she just likes to play with words. I think her lyrics are honest but I don't think she is preaching or anything like that.

Jan 10, 2014, 14:08


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Harold Bissonette
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

matthew6 wrote:
Social critique is only part of her lyric subject matter. I say she deals more with philosophical/moral questions. Or sometimes she just likes to play with words. I think her lyrics are honest but I don't think she is preaching or anything like that.


True dat. I think she is all for creative/spiritual development in people over materialistic greed.

Jan 10, 2014, 14:32


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PhotoPhreak
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

She's a revolutionary humanist, or something. Hard to sum up. Yes, in political terms, she's pretty obviously some manner of a socialist, democratic socialist, Marxist, Marxian, etc. But unlike the vast majority of her comrades, she is not handicapped by leftist blinders. If anything, hers are a very special breed of blinders: Leftist *unblinders*. She is unbound by ideology. Deserving of one of the most complimentary labels: Unclassifiable. Silly? No.

Jan 10, 2014, 15:27


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PhotoPhreak
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

matthew6 wrote:
Social critique is only part of her lyric subject matter. I say she deals more with philosophical/moral questions. Or sometimes she just likes to play with words. I think her lyrics are honest but I don't think she is preaching or anything like that.


She is definitely doing a great deal of preaching. Deep, deep preaching. And more power to her! Those of us who happen to have something to preach about, should preach. She is the *least* tiresome preacher I know of. I cannot imagine, personally, a less tiresome form of preaching than her songs. And yes, it's not all just political/social critiquing. She is clearly just trying her very best to help the rest of humanity figure out how to live better, freer, truer. How can anyone not respect that, regardless of how one's own worldview correlates or not to hers?

Jan 10, 2014, 15:39


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cyberpainter
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

vivakomeda wrote:


Of course none of this means her world view isn't completely silly.


If you would like to respond with an assessment of her world view, as matthew6 asked the whole group, I think it certainly would be more appropriate for you to answer it.

I suppose you did say her world view was "the system sucks". But that's vague enough that anyone can find something to agree with there and disagree with.

Jan 10, 2014, 19:02


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vivakomeda
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You know what her talking points are. She espouses them in each and every interview, with virtually no exceptions.

Here's a fun one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WfAG06HMo4

Somehow, she holds off on introducing her view on the "state of the world today" until 2:50. There's a "systemic problem", she informs us.

She hates hates HATES capitalism. Always alludes to it. Here she angrily says "not every aspect of human life can be sold or bought, you know".

Her awful, ignorant views on financial markets and rating agencies come up here. "Who are these people?", like she says in the song. "Who are these people"? (I guarantee, she doesn't actually want to know the answer). She blames "mathematics" for people not being able to borrow money at the same price (I wonder, would she lend her money to someone she doesn't think will pay her back?)

She suggests she could be the next Pussy Riot.

There's lots of talk about "the elite". "Bourgeois".

13 minutes is where the real ignorance starts.

I won't try to sum it up. Listen for yourself. Schoolgirl pamphleteer stuff. She even blames capitalism for the condition of "our swimming pools"!

Jan 11, 2014, 00:55


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vivakomeda
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Perhaps it's because for some reason, I still read/watch every interview she gives. And the same tired themes always come up, often unprompted.

You know the idea "know thine enemy"? She doesn't know a thing about hers. Which is principally why her comments about capitalism strike me as completely (and often willfully) ignorant.

Jan 11, 2014, 01:05


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PhotoPhreak
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vivakomeda wrote:


You know what her talking points are. She espouses them in each and every interview, with virtually no exceptions.

Here's a fun one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WfAG06HMo4

Somehow, she holds off on introducing her view on the "state of the world today" until 2:50. There's a "systemic problem", she informs us.

She hates hates HATES capitalism. Always alludes to it. Here she angrily says "not every aspect of human life can be sold or bought, you know".

Her awful, ignorant views on financial markets and rating agencies come up here. "Who are these people?", like she says in the song. "Who are these people"? (I guarantee, she doesn't actually want to know the answer). She blames "mathematics" for people not being able to borrow money at the same price (I wonder, would she lend her money to someone she doesn't think will pay her back?)

She suggests she could be the next Pussy Riot.

There's lots of talk about "the elite". "Bourgeois".

13 minutes is where the real ignorance starts.

I won't try to sum it up. Listen for yourself. Schoolgirl pamphleteer stuff. She even blames capitalism for the condition of "our swimming pools"!


Let me be blunt. I'm quite confident of this: You're talking out of your arse. I watched it. She's almost completely right. (The only times I felt she was missing the mark was when she veered into routine Marxist rhetoric, which wasn't often, only about 1/20th of what she said. Attributing all of our problems to profit/capitalism is absurd, humans have forever had most of the problems we still have today. The rest of what she said could just as well have been said by an observant anarcho-primitivist.) Her diagnosis was nearly 100% spot-on. Oh, you think she's ignorant? I assume you yourself know the names of those people queried about, right? Say, did you ever happen to notice any of those names in one of the countless long articles by Matt Taibbi, a guy who is surely not ignorant and whose columns substantiate what Laetitia said about ratings agencies? Or perhaps you might have noticed some of their names in a book by Nassim Taleb, who would probably agree with Laetitia re: being ruled by arbitrarily-powerful people who have an infantile grasp on the consequences of their decisions. Do you object to her preference for cooperatives? Because I sure don't. In fact, I think the Mondragon setup is a most sublime form of capitalism (yes, capitalism), a glimpse into as near a utopian arrangement as humans will probably ever be able to manage. I bet Simone Weil would agree with Laetitia about cooperatives. Is she wrong about swimming pools? Not really. Public utilities are being neglected, and it has a great deal to do with budgetary priorities dictated by lobbyists for what are colloquially known as capitalist pigs, the bad kind of capitalists, who possess a disproportionate amount of clout compared to all other capitalists, all other people. Do you dispute this? Do you dispute that people are being overworked and underrewarded despite the leisure time promised to us for ages by one after another technology revolution? (Now, I would remind Laetitia that responsibility is a two-way current, citizens are still free to choose to find an alternative path, to pool resources to build and repair their own public and private spaces, to re-shape the world via making different choices as consumers every day, to willfully defy the institutional forces she bemoans as oppressive. And I would ask her what today's "austerity" would seem like to humans who lived 200, 2000, 20000 years ago, humans who not only did not feel entitled to more from life, but who were able to enjoy life despite lacking the material benefits of 2014 or even 1914 -- amazing! Or not amazing.) Are you arguing that public transportation is properly valued in a society where almost everything is, as she said, geared for maximum profitability? And what's wrong with being the next Pussy Riot? Or, what's inaccurate about Laetitia's concern that she could possibly wind up being persecuted if she were more popular? Are you not aware of how many public figures have been persecuted in the world over the last 50 years for dissenting too well for their own good in front of too big an audience? Ever heard of the court case US v John Lennon? That's just one famous example. Should we, uh, not be afraid of dictatorships? You won't try to sum it up? Funny, because that's exactly what you tried to do, and you miserably sucked at it. What is your deal, man? Are you a bank-teller projecting your self-loathing onto Laetitia? Are you seething with misogyny, hence the totally unwarranted "schoolgirl" cheapshot? Are you prejudiced against the French, lol? You call her ignorant, but I came away with the EXACT OPPOSITE IMPRESSION, and guess what, I'm right, and you are wrong. Can you prove otherwise? Try it. I won't even expect you to articulate yourself in a non-native language like Laetitia did so remarkably well. Deal? So, go ahead, respond. Try to think twice before you hit submit, second-guess yourself as often as you need to, rehearse a mea culpa. Just some friendly advice.

Jan 11, 2014, 04:45


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s_lush_s
s_lush_s
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Re: Laetitia is going to start giving voice lessons

I think it would be cool if she put on an seminar/intensive for a few days for people who can't commit to the whole thing.!then we could learn some songs and hang out in London. You know 3 days or whatever.
That would be cool. We could finally have our convention/have a vacation. I know someone who likes to put together things like this. Just a wish.

Jan 11, 2014, 04:59

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